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Udtjim that was soo funny i think i broke a rib laughing ... You are lucky i werent there.. Would have stood there making a video and laughing so hard... seeing you get an ear full from the highway patrol and your wife lol... That would have been just too good to pass..

Sasha
 
- forgetting to apply sunblock

This is the one that I'm continuously guilty of. Being fair skinned and as bald as a cue ball, it's something that I need to train myself to do. I always say "I want to get a bit of sun before I apply the sun block. I'll do it in 30 minutes." Two hours later I remember to do it and it's too late. I NEVER learn my lesson.
 
1) I went out on the water for what I thought would be about a 6hr day. We left at 7am. At 5pm we were racing a storm back to the dock. It was getting dark, so I took of my prescription sunglasses to switch to my regular glasses and... oops! Don't forget your glasses!


2) Also, the absolute dumbest thing I've ever done in my life: was looking for a good place to take a small john boat out of a mid-size river (~ 25m across with a bit of current). We pulled up under a bridge with a ton of rip rap, then scrambled out and up to survey the site (Yes, I did tie off the boat... it gets much worse). I was with a crew of 5 other guys. So, I climb up and sling off my life vest with a pile of gear, then cross the bridge and check out the bank on the other side. It was pretty steep, but I scramble down anyway and sink up to my waist in mud. So, here I am, waist deep, and can't really get back up, and I'm on the other side and downstream from my crew. What did I do? I decided to swim across. In my field pants. With boots. And no life jacket. Below a bridge.

DUMBA$$!!! I got about 10 feet out and decided this was a bad idea, but got caught in an eddy and couldn't go back to the near bank. I had to swim/float across, but the damn eddies kept swirling me back toward the center of the channel. I had to just float and keep my head up. The river took a sharp bend and I ended up a good 300m downstream on a bank covered with poison ivy, shaking and out of breath. I didn't even think to call out to my crew before I jumped in, and they didn't see me b/c they were humping gear up to the road.

DON'T EVER DO THIS! I am very lucky...
 
I've been lucky so far (knock on wood) and can't think of any major mistakes I've made. I've had a few minor ones though. One memorable one that could have been a lot worse than it was happened last summer on an over-nighter. I was kind of pushing my limits as far as distance traveled, and when I stopped to make camp I was pretty tired and hungry. I got a fire going and made dinner, and got my hammock strung up, but decided to sit by the fire for a bit and relax before finishing setting everything up, including getting my tarp up. I put down my sleeping pad to sit on, and pretty soon I decided to stretch out, and not long after that I was out cold. This would have suited me fine except I was awakened by raindrops on my face at dawn. Camp was totally disorganized, gear everywhere, and I had no shelter up to get everything under even if I had been organized. I was lucky that a. it was fairly warm, b. the rain didn't get very heavy and c. That I was able to get the tarp up and everything under cover while half asleep without injuring myself or breaking anything. Learned a couple of related lessons. . . 1. Don't trust the weather report. I don't think there was even a faint chance of rain forecast for that weekend. 2. Always make shelter a priority when setting up camp, even if the weather is supposed to be nice. And one more: Keep things at least mostly organized. It really helps when something unexpected happens.

On an unrelated note, if you are one to lash gear to the outside of your pack, make sure it's well secured, and check it often, especially if you're moving off trail through heavy brush. I learned this at someone else's expense: I scored a Thermarest Z-Lite sleeping pad on my last trip out because someone didn't have it well secured to their pack.
 
I learned lots of things by making serious mistakes.
It is because I was just lucky why I am still living.

I learned what kind of place a high snowy mountain is when I visited wearing
canvas hiking shoes, without crampon nor ice ax.
I was very close to death, slipped but stopped just by accident.
After that, I obtained proper ice tools, boots and learned how to use them.

I come to know what kind of place a vertical icewall is when I visited with
unsharpend ice tools.
A skilled climber met in a wall told me how to sharpen ice tools.
He said "They must be thin and sharp! But thinner is not always better.
You know ice axes are not condoms".
 
The one that gets me TIME AND TIME AGAIN:

Getting lazy or hurrying and cutting in an unsafe manner. Those small cuts in the bush add up, and the large cuts can get infected in a hurry.

Take your time, cut safely.

TF
 
Water socks? Please enlighten me :D

I usually go barefoot if it's nice out, and if it's raining, just say the hell with it and cross in my boots.

Water socks, you know, those neoprene boots with tread on the bottom like what you would wear with an open-heel dive fin.

Going barefoot down here is dangerous...at least I think so.
 
Getting lost or turned around while missing either map or compass. Often times I had one without the other, or was using one of the supplied trail maps from the park which can be very poorly off scale or have too little detail to be of any value. How many time are you walking on a trail and thing splits into three directions, all in the same directionality?

Using GPS - hmm - them things don't work in deep forest cover. Sometimes you can't get out of the cover. GPS's really suck when they got no signal.

Misjudging distances to landmarks. Yeah I can walk there.....Turns out to be 6 km away not 1 km away...

Accidentally tripping or kicking out a burning/embered log in the fire pit because the unburned part is sticking out of the fire ring. Then I'm scooting around trying to stamp out the coals.

Loosing the sheath to my knife by setting it down somewhere. Had to carry my knife in toilette paper/duct tape wrapped sheath the rest of the way. If you think you get funny looks from non-knife folks carrying a big knife, try a big knife wrapped in toilette paper!

Bug juice swathed on my hands and accidentally touching my eye. Sucks!

Not bringing any kind of seat or pad for camp. 'I'll just find a stump or something as a chair'.....And then it rains.

Not double checking my pack before leaving. You always forget something.

Being foolhardy with your feet - walking through puddles and finding one where you sink up to your knees instead of your ankles.

Not putting on gloves for hand protection on pretty much any activity.

Taking a piss in a field of poison ivy - it pays to look at the leaves around you.

Wearing shorts....Pretty much every time I do, I learn to regret it. I'm an almost exclusive pant wearer now.
 
Great thread so far :thumbup:

A few things I've learned either through scouting, or my own trial and error:

1. Don't sleep on the ground in a tick infested area :eek:
2. Use a tent during harsh weather conditions - a tarp may be lighter and a bit closer to nature, but when natures throwing side ways rain at you, that tent sounds pretty good :o
3. Once in a blue moon, listen to your better half, she may be right one of these days :foot:
4. Take toilet paper, you will not regret that :)
5. Mosquitoes suck, especially when you live in Texas - use 100% deet repellant and a mosquito net.....shit, just stay home when the mosquitoes are that bad :D
6. Know when to just stop and turn around.
7. Use a bear bag.....nuff said :p
8. Extremely windy conditions on the beach is a bad time to showcase your LMF skills.....especially around wimmins and when your buddies are laughing at ya :grumpy:
9. Always pack and re-pack your gear, you just might forget something
10. Sometimes having that lighter or box of matches would have been real nice.

I think that about covers most of my escapades, I'll have to think of a specific trip to post later on.
 
Don't be in a hurry when loading up the canoe at the boat launch.

It was late in the year when nights get frosty. I went for an overnight canoe trip and was loading gear into the boat. I had been putting the tent heater with the sleeping bag mattress and other stuff into a garbage bag. I also had a garbage bag of similar size full of- yes garbage.

I got the two bags mixed up. It was getting cold in the evening as I set up the tent and to my dismay I opened up the bag looking forward to seeing the tent heater and-:grumpy:- oh no!- a bag of garbage!

It was a long cold night sleeping on the ground. Hard lesson learned.
 
Be aware of altitude and the effect it has on your mind.

I went from sea level to camping at 5 to 6 thousand feet. It took several days to acclimate - not just physically, but mentally as well. A series of mental mistakes took place that could have led to some bad situations - starting out at the trailhead and realizing that the tent was still in the car and not in our packs. At one point I lost track of what was and wasn't filtered water and we drank unfiltered water - but fortunately didn't get sick. In general it was hard to keep track of things - from where I put things to what it was I doing from minute to minute.

A change in altitude means for several days your brain just isn't getting it's normal supply of oxygen - until your body produces more red blood cells. Not much to do about it except be aware of it and be careful.

It probably would have helped to have had a little notebook to write down important things to keep track of them - that way I wouldn't have kept going inside the tent and sitting there wondering what it was that I was planning on getting out of it. :o
 
Be aware of altitude and the effect it has on your mind.

I went from sea level to camping at 5 to 6 thousand feet. It took several days to acclimate - not just physically, but mentally as well. A series of mental mistakes took place that could have led to some bad situations - starting out at the trailhead and realizing that the tent was still in the car and not in our packs. At one point I lost track of what was and wasn't filtered water and we drank unfiltered water - but fortunately didn't get sick. In general it was hard to keep track of things - from where I put things to what it was I doing from minute to minute.

A change in altitude means for several days your brain just isn't getting it's normal supply of oxygen - until your body produces more red blood cells. Not much to do about it except be aware of it and be careful.

It probably would have helped to have had a little notebook to write down important things to keep track of them - that way I wouldn't have kept going inside the tent and sitting there wondering what it was that I was planning on getting out of it. :o

Same thing happened to my crew when we went to Philmont. Coming from South Texas full of oxygen and humidity, and shooting up to base camp which sits around 6,000 ft :eek: We all took bets that if the mini-bears (squirrels and chipmunks) were fast at that elevation, we could only imagine they would be flying if we took one home to our oxygen rich sea level :D
 
Make sure to reapply bug spray at the correct intervals...even in pouring rain. A deer tick got me on one trip when I was too wet and miserable to reapply the bug juice.
 
Most areas where I hunt you can pretty well keep up with where you are by watching a ridgeline. Several years back while hunting I decided to cut some time and take a “direct route” back to the truck. I did not have a compass with me. A couple of hours later I begin to hear road noise which made me feel better until I found out it was the wrong road. The “direct route” only took about three hours longer than going back the way I came. Now I always carry a compass and think carefully about any shortcut.
 
When I was younger, and more stupid, I did the Anapurna Trek in the Nepalese Himalayas, which takes you over Tarongla pass at almost 5500m. Having hiked, rock climbed and bagged peaks in the Drakensberg Mtns in South Africa (up to 3400m) since I was a kid, a having read up extensively on mountain survival and health risks posed by altitudes above 3000m (e.g. deadly pulmonary oedema and cerebral oedema), I thought I knew it all. This arrogance was further reinforced when I continued to do far better than the others above 4000m.

To cut a long story short I decided to ignore the warnings of both fellow trekkers and the porters supporting them, and had a smoke when we got to a village at about 4200m.a.s.l. One puff of the cigarette and I felt queasy, but decided to push through this 'temporary' light headedness. Two puffs and the ground started to move. I immediately put out the smoke, but it was too late. After about and hour or so of vomitting my lungs out and trying to stop the floor I was lying from moving like a boat in a swell, I finally felt like I would live! No fun at all.

So if there is one piece of advice I am qualified to offer it's this:
don't smoke when above 4000m altitude, not even one drag.
 
One mistake I made, happened during what I thought would be a short hike on a warm morning. Because I thought that I would only be away from my vehicle for an hour at the most, I didn't bother to grab my canteen, which was full and setting next to me on the seat of my PU. I also hadn't drank much water previous to the hike, so when I missed a return trail and let stalking a buck interfere with my original intent, I started feeling bad after about 3 hours in what turned out to be a very hot day. Headache, upset stomach, light headed, etc. Fortunately, a Ranger happened along and offered up a bottle of water and a pouch of emergen-C powder. I knew the guy and he knows me well enough to know that I never leave home without adequate supplies for my journeys, so I still havn't live this one down. But it's all good I guess, because he teaches wilderness living skills to kids in a summer camp and he uses my story to stress to them the importance of proper hydration, as well as having adequate water and essential gear with us, no matter where we are going, or what we are doing.
 
Back in 1988 I decided to do a five day solo hike on the Superior Hiking Trail in northern Minnesota. It was mid May and the snow was all gone in the southern part of the state, so I thought the trail would be clear up north. But I also knew enough to be wary of the climate north of Duluth, so I came half expecting to find out that there would be too much snow to attempt the hike.

Therefore, I stopped off at the ranger station and asked them if the trail was clear going north behind the Sawtooth Mountains. "No problem," they told me. "The trail is clear all the way north."

My first big mistake was believing them. So I told my girl friend that I was going to do the trip after all, and I asked her to pick me up five days hence at a pre-determined location. She took off and I headed up the trail.

At first it looked promising. The ground was muddy, but passable, and I even saw mountain bike tracks leading up the trail, which only contributed to my belief that this was a doable trip. I got to Carlton Peak (the highest point in Minnesota), had some lunch, enjoying the fine day, then headed down the mountain, which is when I started running into snow. Before long, I was crotch-deep in wet, heavy, melting stuff and of course the trail was nowhere to be seen.

I should have turned back at that point (really, this was probably my single biggest mistake), but I continued on thinking that eventually the snow would disappear as I got to a lower elevation. Well, sure enough, it did, but it was replaced by forest-turned-to-swamp due to melting snow. Fortunately, I found a trail (still not sure if it was the right one) that kept me out of the worst of the ice water and mud. So I kept going, thinking that surely things would get better.

Finally, after a few hours of struggling, I came to a wider trail, which lead to a muddy area that was half-submerged in spring run off. The trail lead across the muddy area on a bridge of sorts built of split birch logs. The half-logs looked like they were laid down directly on the mud, and I figured it was there to give four wheelers traction when crossing the area.

Anyway, me and my 60-lb pack started across this thing, got half way across, when my foot broke through the logs (which turned out to be rotten and only solid enough to have held me to that point due to ice). I dropped about a foot into standing ice water, twisting my ankle badly. With my next step, I broke through the logs again, but this time didn't twist my ankle.

Long story short, I struggled off that "bridge," breaking through it with every other step, and another quarter of a mile up the trail to a high, wide spot clear of snow, mud and water. I pitched my tent, built a fire, and spent the next day contemplating the errors of my ways while I waited for the swelling to subside in my ankle.

Fortunately, I didn't break my ankle or someone probably would have had to come find me. As it was, I was able to limp a few miles to a logging road, then down to the highway where I hitched a ride to a state park. I then spent the next few days staring at Lake Superior while waiting for my girl friend to come collect me.

Moral of the story: don't be too proud to turn back, especially when you arrive for the hike already half thinking that you aren't going to be able to do it.

And, yes, I know, I shouldn't have been out there solo. But I almost always end up solo hiking thanks to a lack of hiking partners in my life. When the choice is go it alone or don't go at all, sometimes you just have to go it alone. At least I had enough gear to get me through it.

By the way, that ankle is still weak to this day, which is why whenever I got off trail in even a semi-serious way I always wear boots with good ankle support. I also no longer believe in 60lb packs, which certainly didn't help the situation at all, and which forever after my ankle utterly despises.
 
when you are on a glacier and you decide to give you friend some curtusy distance to do your business, make sure you are roped off to a friend, or snow anchor or somthing. taking a step and finding yourself with your feet dangling in a crevasse, arms doing the spread eagle till you buddies can get you out. not very fun.
 
Since Philmont was brought up...

My crew had cleared the Tooth of Time and reached a point where we could look down at Base Camp. Wow, that looks really close, they said. Why should we carry a full load of water, they asked. So, differing amounts of potable water returned to the landscape. Result?

Tada! What felt like a thousand miles of hot, dusty switchbacks crisscossing down, painfully extending the trip. Good thing I kept all my water. :P

Always keep an eye out for Mr. Murphy.
 
I will post more later, but a good piece of advice is real simple:

It CAN happen to you.
 
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