Seriously?

Some Boy Scout ranks and merit badges require the use of a knife. I started carrying a Cub Scout knife when I was eight. I bought my son his first knife when he was 10 (a SAK Tinker). His grandmother upstaged me later that year by giving him a Kershaw Oso Sweet (it has assisted opening, by the way) and I encourage him to carry a knife everywhere that it is legal to do so.

Here is my point: giving a young person a knife, and instruction on how to use it properly, does not foster irresponsible behavior; it fosters RESPONSIBLE behavior. As Brittish Leutenant General Lord Baden-Powell (founder of Boy Scouting) said. "teach them, trust them, then let them lead."
 
json77 said:
I would just like to point out that an attitude like yours is the reason why you have such idiotic knife laws. As far as teenagers, I will agree alot of them are too dumb for what you perceive to be dangerous things but the idea that its best to just keep every teenager away from those things is pretty much as idiotic as your knife laws. Got a better idea for you, how about teaching those teenagers how to use those things properly and to show some common sence and restraint. Seriously dont you find it the least bit disturbing that your government told you go out and buy new knives cause we decided to ban your kitchen knives to protect you? I cannot begin to understand how that makes any sence? If someone wanted to hurt you with one of your new fancy euro neutered safety knifes can't they just cut you, that is unless your not allowed a sharp kitchen knife now, or will they just beat you with a frying pan, you ready for them to tell you you can't use pots and pans now to? You said it was reasonable. As far as looking up rulings, just look up whatever ruling involved with your kitchen knife ban or whatever you call it, you'll find one where the man pretty much screwed every citizen.
Enjoy your Swiss Army Knife, I am enjoying my Spyderco.
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There wasn't a ruling for a kitchen knife ban. There is no such thing as a kitchen knife ban. My government has not told me to get out and buy new knives. Obama is not in fact a Muslim. :p

What the story was, was that some guy in the UK came up with the concept of stab-proof knives, in order to help reduce knife crime. I've not heard of the knife selling briskly. If you're gonna pull citations I'd at least do some research beforehand.

There has been a CALL for a ban on large, pointed kitchen knives, by doctors working in Accidents & Emergency. As I am a med school student, I find it easy to agree with them. However, the average American knife enthusiast, tremendously defensive about their "rights", will probably find this less reasonable.

Read more:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4581871.stm

I don't know what job you do or what hobbies you normally get up to, so I'll not presume, but since I've started carrying the Victorinox I've not met a task when I thought that I needed my 3" blade lock knife. Presumably, if you actually needed your Spyderco, it would fall under "reasonable use" and not put you on the wrong side of the law.

The argument that better education about responsible use has its flaws...in all honesty, this is a problem that will never be resolved. Some guy who'd never dream of harming his fellow man could, in theory and reality, get into an altercation while very drunk and flash steel.

Could he have killed or badly injured someone, even without a knife? Quite possibly. The difference is that the knife makes it easier and quicker, and laws all over the world, US included, most DEFINITELY distinguish between assault bare-handed and assault with a weapon.

Hell, I've watched enough fights on youtube between normal individuals on a bus or in a school, and people on BF have commented that lots of people have gotten shot over a punch.

The possession of weapons is a continuous spectrum in terms of danger, and at some point, governments around the world have all drawn the line. This is why you can't buy assault rifles or compact SMGs in the States, last I checked. Canada and UK have merely chosen to draw the line a bit further from your reasonable limits.

It's all a bit pointless to me, personally--while I am ok with making it illegal to concealed carry a knife that serves no discernible purpose, the fact is criminals aren't gonna obey the law anyway--and the guys mugging people with 6" kitchen knives sure didn't look up concealed carry laws. But if you're a doctor and you see a guy with multiple cuts from a large kitchen knife come in every month or so, what are you supposed to think?

Knives don't kill people, people kill people. But knives make it a hell of a lot quicker, easier, and safer for the assailant. Just sayin'.
 
Skytorn said:
[T]he average American knife enthusiast, tremendously defensive about their "rights", will probably find this less reasonable.
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What do you mean by putting quotes around the word "rights?" They ARE our rights, neighbor, and we defend them jealously. From your tone, I suspect that you consider defensiveness regarding liberty trivial, if not foolish. We do not; we guard it jealously. I am glad that you love your country and approve of its efforts to manage your life for you. However, we in the U.S. do not aspire to join you in this. Mock our "rights" all you want. We treasure our "rights," and love liberty more than safety. If that puts us at odds with Europe, so be it.

I wish you well, but I choose not to join you in your cavalier dismissal of citizens' rights.
 
Skytorn said:
There wasn't a ruling for a kitchen knife ban. There is no such thing as a kitchen knife ban. My government has not told me to get out and buy new knives. Obama is not in fact a Muslim. :p

What the story was, was that some guy in the UK came up with the concept of stab-proof knives, in order to help reduce knife crime. I've not heard of the knife selling briskly. If you're gonna pull citations I'd at least do some research beforehand.

There has been a CALL for a ban on large, pointed kitchen knives, by doctors working in Accidents & Emergency. As I am a med school student, I find it easy to agree with them. However, the average American knife enthusiast, tremendously defensive about their "rights", will probably find this less reasonable.

Read more:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4581871.stm

I don't know what job you do or what hobbies you normally get up to, so I'll not presume, but since I've started carrying the Victorinox I've not met a task when I thought that I needed my 3" blade lock knife. Presumably, if you actually needed your Spyderco, it would fall under "reasonable use" and not put you on the wrong side of the law.

The argument that better education about responsible use has its flaws...in all honesty, this is a problem that will never be resolved. Some guy who'd never dream of harming his fellow man could, in theory and reality, get into an altercation while very drunk and flash steel.

Could he have killed or badly injured someone, even without a knife? Quite possibly. The difference is that the knife makes it easier and quicker, and laws all over the world, US included, most DEFINITELY distinguish between assault bare-handed and assault with a weapon.

Hell, I've watched enough fights on youtube between normal individuals on a bus or in a school, and people on BF have commented that lots of people have gotten shot over a punch.

The possession of weapons is a continuous spectrum in terms of danger, and at some point, governments around the world have all drawn the line. This is why you can't buy assault rifles or compact SMGs in the States, last I checked. Canada and UK have merely chosen to draw the line a bit further from your reasonable limits.

It's all a bit pointless to me, personally--while I am ok with making it illegal to concealed carry a knife that serves no discernible purpose, the fact is criminals aren't gonna obey the law anyway--and the guys mugging people with 6" kitchen knives sure didn't look up concealed carry laws. But if you're a doctor and you see a guy with multiple cuts from a large kitchen knife come in every month or so, what are you supposed to think?

Knives don't kill people, people kill people. But knives make it a hell of a lot quicker, easier, and safer for the assailant. Just sayin'.
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The problem in the UK is that ordinary people are "subjects", not "citizens". As such, the only rights that they have are what the ruling parties give to them. There is no Constitution and Bill of Rights in the UK. It amounts to tyranny. If they want to jail you for carrying a tiny pocketknife, they can do just that. If you studied history at all, British rulers have always been afraid of ordinary people possessing anything that could be used as a weapon. In the Middle Ages, kings, their soldiers, and other noblemen were allowed the ownership of weapons, but a mere peasant could face execution for possessing one. The first shots of the American Revolution, fired at Concord, Massachusetts, were the result of British soldiers attempting to disarm American colonists.
There was a brief interest in civilian marksmanship programs in the UK after British forces were mauled in battle after battle against the sharpshooting Dutch/German farmers in South Africa during the Boer Wars. This soon changed and the UK once again disarmed its subjects. When Winston Churchill delivered his famous speech during WW II, he knew full well that his unarmed civilian populace would not stand a chance against a ground invasion by German troops. They would have been slaughtered like helpless sheep facing a pack of wolves. He pleaded with the United States to send small arms for civilian defense. In contrast, the Japanese commanders did not even consider a ground invasion of the United States. Their top general commented that if they did, they would find a loaded rifle waiting for them behind every blade of grass. He knew that his troops would have been gunned down by well-armed American civilians.
Sorry, but the UK has been thoroughly emasculated and men are no longer real men. They have to kowtow and obey the laws of what amounts to a nanny state. We will not allow this in the United States. We will retain our Second Amendment rights to own firearms and edged weapons.
 
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Skytorn said:
There wasn't a ruling for a kitchen knife ban. There is no such thing as a kitchen knife ban. My government has not told me to get out and buy new knives. Obama is not in fact a Muslim. :p

What the story was, was that some guy in the UK came up with the concept of stab-proof knives, in order to help reduce knife crime. I've not heard of the knife selling briskly. If you're gonna pull citations I'd at least do some research beforehand.

There has been a CALL for a ban on large, pointed kitchen knives, by doctors working in Accidents & Emergency. As I am a med school student, I find it easy to agree with them. However, the average American knife enthusiast, tremendously defensive about their "rights", will probably find this less reasonable.

Read more:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4581871.stm

I don't know what job you do or what hobbies you normally get up to, so I'll not presume, but since I've started carrying the Victorinox I've not met a task when I thought that I needed my 3" blade lock knife. Presumably, if you actually needed your Spyderco, it would fall under "reasonable use" and not put you on the wrong side of the law.

The argument that better education about responsible use has its flaws...in all honesty, this is a problem that will never be resolved. Some guy who'd never dream of harming his fellow man could, in theory and reality, get into an altercation while very drunk and flash steel.

Could he have killed or badly injured someone, even without a knife? Quite possibly. The difference is that the knife makes it easier and quicker, and laws all over the world, US included, most DEFINITELY distinguish between assault bare-handed and assault with a weapon.

Hell, I've watched enough fights on youtube between normal individuals on a bus or in a school, and people on BF have commented that lots of people have gotten shot over a punch.

The possession of weapons is a continuous spectrum in terms of danger, and at some point, governments around the world have all drawn the line. This is why you can't buy assault rifles or compact SMGs in the States, last I checked. Canada and UK have merely chosen to draw the line a bit further from your reasonable limits.

It's all a bit pointless to me, personally--while I am ok with making it illegal to concealed carry a knife that serves no discernible purpose, the fact is criminals aren't gonna obey the law anyway--and the guys mugging people with 6" kitchen knives sure didn't look up concealed carry laws. But if you're a doctor and you see a guy with multiple cuts from a large kitchen knife come in every month or so, what are you supposed to think?

Knives don't kill people, people kill people. But knives make it a hell of a lot quicker, easier, and safer for the assailant. Just sayin'.
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What does obama have to do with anything?
How did this go from pocket knives to assault rifles and submachine guns?
Your argument that it's better to just let the government decide what is best for you has more flaws then mine.
No big surprise there, your euro neutered kitchen cutlery isn't selling well. :D
Med school student huh? Wonder if they went after surgical implements yet?
 
First off, let me appologize for the spacing, I am on my mobile typing this and it will not let me type in paragraphs.

I think both sides make a good point.
This Brit is much more observent then most that agree with the government, he says that people are responsible for injury of others not objects.
I think we Americans are being a little protective and defensive. Here is a guy that has a good enough head on his shoulders to have a civilized conversation with and we are being quick to imply he is a neutered nanny.

Now with that being said, I don't believe government control of weapons has a positive effect on crime or injury, even if it did I would still support making my own decisions over big brother making them for me. I guess that is just the American way.

I feel that years of having to accept that whatever the government tells the people of the UK to do, has had a direct effect on how the people think and reason across the pond. They seem to be on the same page as their government most of the time. I am glad it isn't that way over here, but to each his own, and what works for one might not work for another. That is why we sepparated from England so long ago.

I guess I am saying that I don't think this guy is out of line with what he is saying. He is trying to get his point across the same as we are. So let's not be so hostile towards other ideas.he isn't bashing the flag, if he were I would be the first one defending it.

You agree that criminals won't obey the laws, so wouldn't letting civilians arm themselves give them some help in the event they need to defend themselves?
If I were a crook, I would think twice about attacking someone if I knew or thought they might be armed. I would try to find an easier target.
After all, you can't carry a bobby in your pocket.
 
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I stopped watching 5 seconds in...the idiot doesn't even know the correct way to hang the American flag vertically. :D
 
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