Sex offenders in society .

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O:K: so they gotta work the same as we ?

Well .....not as far as I am concerned if the crime involves children or is heinous enough in other respects .
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O:K: so they have to have a place to live the same as we ?

Not if it in any way endangers a child , causes the offender to be at risk to re-offend or otherwise endanger the public .
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I know there are different degrees and someone with a fondness for public toilet seats should not be lumped in with child mollesters .

There is a line that they can cross over where I am perfectly willing to nut their cuts off and stick them in a cage . Barbaric ? You betcha . I,m willing to get real medeval on their A$$ when it comes to a child being allowed the chance to grow up without a millstone around their neck .

Not only is the child at an increased risk of offending themselves there is a good chance they will never be the same again . That child has been sentenced to life without parole to whatever miseries that have been inflicted upon them .
 
I would encourage everyone to visit their state's sexual offender registry website and the national sex offender registry:

http://www.nsopr.gov/

While it is an imperfect system, every bit of information as to potential threats is helpful.

Eric
 
Important topic, Kevin.

I did an internet check on registered child offenders using my home addresss and was very surprised to see 9 registered child sex offenders in my (granted it's large) sub division.

People that hurt children should not be let loose. Too high of a repeat offense rate.
 
Not long ago, there was a news item where a man from Dartmouth viewed the Maine sex offender registry, drove 'cross the border, killed two men, then turned the gun on himself.

I dunno what to do. Somebody tried anything to my kids, I'd surely rip his lungs out. The re-offender rate is hideous, and the single greatest risk-factor in predicting pedophiles is that the person had themselves been abused.

But should they be allowed to have a life, somehow, somewhere? I guess so, though never without supervision.
 
Fact: someone does the crime. Someone does the time. Someone has repaid their debt to society. So say our laws. If we want a harsher punishment then let's pester our elected officials to put one in place and prepare to pay the price, but let's not kid ourselves about the reasons why. It's a simple matter of loathing here.

Registration is not required for burglars (including home invaders), murderers, kidnappers, forgers, counterfeiters, or anything else...just sex offenders. I'm not aware of the rate of recidivism being any higher for sex offenders than for other types of criminals. (In fact, IIRC it's significantly lower in WA state, especially after programming.) What we're doing here is the same basic principle as branding and scarring were several centuries ago and we're doing it for the same reasons, aren't we?

So what do we do with them?

Programming is shown to work. It's not 100% effective but neither is incarceration. Many say to lock them up and throw away the key. Several states (WA included) already have a system in place for that, known as civil committment. Bear in mind that it fixes nothing, costs $100,000 per year (as opposed to $25,000 for an offender in general population) and is completely unconstitutional no matter how one looks at it. Were we doing it to anyone besides chimo's and rapo's the ACLU would be on it like white on rice. But sex offenders? Who cares, right?

The easiest way for someone to hate is to dehumanize the object of their intended hatred. We are talking about human beings here. Some of them are monstrous but that's hardly limited to sex offenders.

Society at large would like to see such people taken off the streets and locked up, and that's fine. Please understand that the problem does not go away the moment that they're arrested. It simply becomes our problem rather than your problem and it still needs to be paid for and if nothing further is done, it will probably become a problem again when they're eventually released.

Also understand that going down for a sex offense is a hard, hard way to do time. I won't go into details and we do what we can for them but we can't be everywhere, all the time. When someone comes out of prison worse than how they went in, whose fault is that?

The current solution is obviously not the best one. Unfortunately, I don't have the answer either. (Or rather, I have a couple of answers, but one is inhumane and the other is too expensive.) I don't get paid for my ideas regardless.

A large part of the problem here is the population's inability to make up its mind about whether punishment or rehabilitation is the ultimate goal and we often fail at both. If the intent is to kick people back out on the street who will go on to become productive members of society, keeping their past sins in mind is fine; continually demonizing them for the rest of their lives for it probably isn't.
 
I think child molestation should be a death penalty offense.

I also agree with Dave that the registry is an unfair lifelong punnishment.
 
Dave,

thanks for that. It's always good to look at things from different pespectives. Then again, if something happened to my child (dont have any yet), or even a friend, I know what I'd be doing. Of course, I'd call the police. This is a public forum after all.

Keno
 
Althought I would never support anything related to sex offenders, as a librarian I think it's important to point out incorrect information when I have a reliable source to cite with the correct info.

According to a comprehensive report by CQ Researcher released today [Greenblatt, A. (2006, September 8). Sex offenders. CQ Researcher, 16, 721-744. Retrieved September 7, 2006, from CQ Researcher Online,] sex offenders generally have low recidivism rates compared to other criminals.

Although once is too much. My wife is a psychologist who works with college kids and this sort of thing often still goes unreported and kept as the "family secret" (that's the other bad news- many sex offenders do it within their own family) to screw up kids' lives for a long time.
 
My wife was molested as a girl. I've seen the damage it causes, first hand. I have no pity for those who prey on children. Two to the head is better than they deserve. Throwing them in a deep dark hole and leaving them there is better than they derserve. I know we're supposed to love our enemies and forgive them their trespasses but I just can't do it, not in this case.

Frank
 
Yes, Soupah. Much molestation goes unreported - and some molesters abuse dozens of children (if not more). I've a psychologist acquaintance who worked with a particularly extreme population of sex offenders in Florida jails for 3 years - he burnt out and quit, and is now an organic farmer.

In his opinion, only perhaps 3 of the 25 inmates he worked with could be really callled rehabilitated - and he would put huge caveats around the use of the word even with them. Warehousing should be the option, in his view. The folks he worked with would never, he felt, be safe to release into the population.
 
Dave I agree it is loathsome . Our natural tendencies do not in any way cloud the issue .

If I nut their cuts off and stick them in a cage I will still loathe them . I will for the time being be reasonably sure that they will not re-offend .

Re-programming ? Might work in some cases . Just one out of one hundred re-offends and we are not only back to square one there is a lifetime of misery heaped upon an innocent .

Sometimes we as adults forget what a childs life is like . Not the snippets we remember , not what we observe and thrill in vicariously .The complete trust and faith children must have in their parents and adults in general .

Once this connection is broken through abuse we will be lucky if it can be re-established . It is we who are lucky . That child may never feel fortunate again .
 
As a father I think very nasty things about what I would do if I cought someone perpetrating this on my daughter. Very nasty things indeed. Give me a salad fork and box of salt and leave me to it.
 
Outstanding post Dave. My personal opinion is that registration is wrong. I believe that sex offenders should serve life sentances, no parole, no execeptions. There are enough of them to keep in separate blocks in prisons, so they don't mingle with the general population too. Thereby diminishing the problems that causes. The problem is the cost that this solution would impose on the system.
 
I would like to point out that this is an issue that I focus upon for a variety of reasons . Where I live the connection between parent and child has been almost completely lost .

Less than one child per couple . Lets not get into reasoning behind this as it is a pandoras box of mish mashed emotions .

The point I am trying to make is that the friends and aquaintances I have spoken to about this have lost the familial bond necessary to want children .

I know there are many other types of reasons . In this case what is germain to the issue is the bond itself .

The lack of this bond is one reason Peds prey upon children . All the child is to Peds is an easy meat sweet treat .

We did not demonise them . They demonised themselves .

Certainly there are social ills . We as a society are responsible for those . Perpetrator or victim . Predator or prey . We are all responsible .

Until these social ills can be addressed the offenders must be stopped . . It is beyond right or wrong . Those we bring into this world are ours to defend . It is not our sworn duty .It is not a chore we must perform .
You can be derelict in your duty ,shirk your chores . If we screw this one up there is nothing left .
 
Damn Josh. I didn't expect that outta you. Nice and scary. Thats how you get the deterrant. Our current death penalty has no effect. You shred one of these guys and watch the psycho wards fill up with voluntary comittals.
 
Very interesting.

There are only about 10 houses on my road and it turns out one of the nicest folks on my hollow is on the list!:rolleyes:

Guy and his wife built a really nice house, keep to themselves mostly and are some of the most friendly seemingly decent folks around. Both hard working have 2 kids, that are grown now. I'da never thought. Was back in 87 though so that's 20 years ago almost.
 
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