Yea heavy handed the 5k shapton pro mainly.. the 8k works fine but the 5k seems to load up immediately.. it'll come off if I rub my finger on it but the swarfy water is hard to get unless I'm polishing s big bevel for a few minutes.. it also feels like it has some bumps in it while I'm sharpening sometimes Idk wth is wrong with this stone but it doesn't seem right