I clicked on this link soley to llok at your pics, now I want some I feel gypted, or is that jypted. Whatever. I, and many others learn allot styling, craftsmanship, and loads of other stuff. the more we see what is good (or bad) the more lickly we are to get it right
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Sharing picture of your work or Am I vain?
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Matthew Gregory
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I, for one, want to see pics of your work, Patrice!
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Yeah Patrice, we need more pics.
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You guys are just way too nice! But so good for the ego! :thumbup:
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You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you!
awesome james.
Patrice,
I am the same way. If it's a knife or something related, I show my wife then I want to post here. If it is anything else, I just run to my wife.
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re: PhD
I made that up all by myself. You're welcome
It's even better if you whistle along with the tune... [youtube]mQZmCJUSC6g[/youtube]
You know me, I'm here to help
Right on. It takes hard work and a good deal of study to make a decent knife, and there's nothing wrong with feeling good about that. :thumbup:
I made that up all by myself. You're welcome
I was eating lunch while reading this post and had to stop myself from spitting out my food while laughing. That was FREAKIN funny!
It's even better if you whistle along with the tune... [youtube]mQZmCJUSC6g[/youtube]
And thanks to James I can't get that damn song outa my head
Stan
You know me, I'm here to help
Vanity is part of the human experience; many are vain about there physical appearance, some about the car they drive; neither is worthy.
To feel vainity upon completion of a great knife; now that I understand.
Right on. It takes hard work and a good deal of study to make a decent knife, and there's nothing wrong with feeling good about that. :thumbup:
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I agree with frenchman - it's really nice to see other's work and be inspired by it. Just this morning, I saw a different design on a scale and am thinking of doing so on my next knife.
So, please do post anything you're not embarrassed to share - we're learning together here.
Tait
So, please do post anything you're not embarrassed to share - we're learning together here.
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Everyone wants praise on the work they do, its what they do with the criticism that sets people apart. Those who learn from it and those who take offense. I don't normally post on new pics mostly because I am a hobby maker as well and don't really feel qualified to say more than "its good looking, I like it" and I feel that jsut takes up space that an expert could be using to give advice. Patrice, just take it as written that I always look at your new knives and i always like them.
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I'm not arrogant or vain... I above that sort of thing and already know I'm good looking.
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I almost think it should be required. We can all learn from just about everyone---something... whether it's a tiny idea or something that will cause a HUGE transition in your knife making endeavors.
Also, there are a whole lot of folks who type out responses on forums that would lead you to believe they are top flight at whatever it is they do. Then you see their work and realize maybe they should spend less time at the keyboard acting like they have it all figured out... and spend more time actually trying to at their workbench. :foot:
If a guy has shown proof he can put his money where his mouth is, it sure gives you more confidence in trying to borrow from his advice.
Take some of the "locals" here. You see a Bruce Bump museum quality piece, or a Don Hanson crazy hamon bowie, or the insane chatoyance of a Phillip Patton damascus blade, the insanely clean and accurate work of Russ Andrews (there are lots more but for the sake of time I'll stop there)--- and you KNOW those guys have put in hours and hours actually learning to do the stuff that they can lend advice on.
For example, if somebody has a really intelligent, articulate post on what you need to do to improve your water quenching failures, but they have ABSOLUTELY NO photos of water quenched blades to show their astounding success... then how can someone truly feel confident with that guy's advice?
Edited to add: My point is that it reminds me of my days working as a personal trainer. There were a couple other employees at the gym that could really talk the talk. They could tell you "just exactly" what you needed to eat, how you needed to train, etc... But they were fat and sloppy
Also, there are a whole lot of folks who type out responses on forums that would lead you to believe they are top flight at whatever it is they do. Then you see their work and realize maybe they should spend less time at the keyboard acting like they have it all figured out... and spend more time actually trying to at their workbench. :foot:
If a guy has shown proof he can put his money where his mouth is, it sure gives you more confidence in trying to borrow from his advice.
Take some of the "locals" here. You see a Bruce Bump museum quality piece, or a Don Hanson crazy hamon bowie, or the insane chatoyance of a Phillip Patton damascus blade, the insanely clean and accurate work of Russ Andrews (there are lots more but for the sake of time I'll stop there)--- and you KNOW those guys have put in hours and hours actually learning to do the stuff that they can lend advice on.
For example, if somebody has a really intelligent, articulate post on what you need to do to improve your water quenching failures, but they have ABSOLUTELY NO photos of water quenched blades to show their astounding success... then how can someone truly feel confident with that guy's advice?
Edited to add: My point is that it reminds me of my days working as a personal trainer. There were a couple other employees at the gym that could really talk the talk. They could tell you "just exactly" what you needed to eat, how you needed to train, etc... But they were fat and sloppy
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as someone who has been described as a 'complete and total attention whore' I feel I might be qualified to speak to this issue.
Yes, you are vain. Unless you want to live in a cave and become one with, well...whatever, then you'll be living in a society and carving out your own niche. It's all well and good to get feedback, but I have seen, very often, people take anything less than a pat on the back as a personal affront. Those people are the most vain, and perhaps I am one of them.
But here's the way I see it; this internet universe relies on interaction in order to survive. It is truly egalitarian in that anyone can post anything, (whether it gets removed due to being inappropriate is a whole other thing) and this universe relies on it being reborn every nanosecond with new angles, ideas and generally, NEW CONTENT. If it's your vanity that causes you to be involved in this evolution, then great! Keep contributing, you're helping it to evolve!
So, you're vain. So what? You are helping to perpetuate a universe, while some sit by and simply soak it all in without providing nourishment themselves. I'd rather be described as vain, than to be described unproductive. And that's if I cared how I was described- maybe I'm too vain to care. I've always thought that other people's opinions of me are not really any of my business anyway. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, and I hope you do too. Whether you are compelled by righteousness or vanity, (or a combination of the two
) doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, as long as you're an active participant, it's all good:thumbup:
.Yes, you are vain. Unless you want to live in a cave and become one with, well...whatever, then you'll be living in a society and carving out your own niche. It's all well and good to get feedback, but I have seen, very often, people take anything less than a pat on the back as a personal affront. Those people are the most vain, and perhaps I am one of them.
But here's the way I see it; this internet universe relies on interaction in order to survive. It is truly egalitarian in that anyone can post anything, (whether it gets removed due to being inappropriate is a whole other thing) and this universe relies on it being reborn every nanosecond with new angles, ideas and generally, NEW CONTENT. If it's your vanity that causes you to be involved in this evolution, then great! Keep contributing, you're helping it to evolve!
So, you're vain. So what? You are helping to perpetuate a universe, while some sit by and simply soak it all in without providing nourishment themselves. I'd rather be described as vain, than to be described unproductive. And that's if I cared how I was described- maybe I'm too vain to care. I've always thought that other people's opinions of me are not really any of my business anyway. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, and I hope you do too. Whether you are compelled by righteousness or vanity, (or a combination of the two
) doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, as long as you're an active participant, it's all good:thumbup:
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Good points guys. I like the "atta boy" way of looking at it. It's all about moderation I guess and if it's let's say 75% to help/improve and 25% vanity, no harm in it.
Also, I think a good way to see if you are posting too much based on vanity would be if you post about your successes and are afraid to post about your failures.
Also, I think a good way to see if you are posting too much based on vanity would be if you post about your successes and are afraid to post about your failures.
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Pat,
As someone from the same "Newbie Class" I pose this observation-
Look where you were, where you've been, where you are going, and finally where you HOPE to be.
The pace you learn and gain experience is determined in a small part by your genetic capability to advance and in a large part by how you go about persuing your own education.
IE - if you've got the drive to improve you will.
Are you fearless in posting pics and asking for critique ?
Do you filter the advice and honestly try to take the suggestions from those who critisize to HELP you ?
Compliments and encouragement surely do stroke the ole' ego but which comments do you take the most from -"Atta Boys" or "I see XYZ as needing improvement"
Answering these type questions will help you decide if your driven by vanity or the hunger to improve to the point where you NEED those more knowlegable to point out the flaws on your knives.
We're still at the level where we can make great strides in our craftmanship from one simple comment so it is very important for us to put it out there asking for advice on how to improve.
Post away Buddy !!!
Josh
As someone from the same "Newbie Class" I pose this observation-
Look where you were, where you've been, where you are going, and finally where you HOPE to be.
The pace you learn and gain experience is determined in a small part by your genetic capability to advance and in a large part by how you go about persuing your own education.
IE - if you've got the drive to improve you will.
Are you fearless in posting pics and asking for critique ?
Do you filter the advice and honestly try to take the suggestions from those who critisize to HELP you ?
Compliments and encouragement surely do stroke the ole' ego but which comments do you take the most from -"Atta Boys" or "I see XYZ as needing improvement"
Answering these type questions will help you decide if your driven by vanity or the hunger to improve to the point where you NEED those more knowlegable to point out the flaws on your knives.
We're still at the level where we can make great strides in our craftmanship from one simple comment so it is very important for us to put it out there asking for advice on how to improve.
Post away Buddy !!!
Josh
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Hey Patrice... good topic.
I always enjoy it when makers post pics... they frequently inspire me and often help me to improve aspects of my own work. I would also say there are certain makers who's threads I am more likely to click on than others... I almost always click on your threads. Your knives are not always my personal cup-o-tea, but I always appreciate your honest, straight-forward approach to making and posting. You generally seem intelligent, ask good questions, take advice/praise/criticism well and are willing to point out your own mistakes. With photos, it is easy to hide flaws... but it is more useful to ourselves and others to acknowledge them and learn from them. Like Josh, I also feel that you are part of the same "newbie class" as I am... though perhaps I am giving myself too much credit.
I definitely agree with Nick's post :thumbup:... and hope that I don't resemble it too much. Photos help me filter signal from noise.
Like you, I love to post photos of my work. My main concern usually ends up being "where should I post my work." There may be several applicable subforums from which to choose, and I feel bad if I spam them all. These days WIPs end up in Shop Talk, final photos end up in Custom & Handmade, and the occasional butterfly will end up in Balisongs.
Erin
I always enjoy it when makers post pics... they frequently inspire me and often help me to improve aspects of my own work. I would also say there are certain makers who's threads I am more likely to click on than others... I almost always click on your threads. Your knives are not always my personal cup-o-tea, but I always appreciate your honest, straight-forward approach to making and posting. You generally seem intelligent, ask good questions, take advice/praise/criticism well and are willing to point out your own mistakes. With photos, it is easy to hide flaws... but it is more useful to ourselves and others to acknowledge them and learn from them. Like Josh, I also feel that you are part of the same "newbie class" as I am... though perhaps I am giving myself too much credit.
Also, there are a whole lot of folks who type out responses on forums that would lead you to believe they are top flight at whatever it is they do. Then you see their work and realize maybe they should spend less time at the keyboard acting like they have it all figured out... and spend more time actually trying to at their workbench. :foot:
I definitely agree with Nick's post :thumbup:... and hope that I don't resemble it too much.
Photos help me filter signal from noise.Like you, I love to post photos of my work. My main concern usually ends up being "where should I post my work." There may be several applicable subforums from which to choose, and I feel bad if I spam them all. These days WIPs end up in Shop Talk, final photos end up in Custom & Handmade, and the occasional butterfly will end up in Balisongs.
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Enough of this, let's see some knives already?
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Patrice,
Don't ever hesitate to post pictures of your work. We all love to see what others are doing. Personally, I enjoy looking at the work of all here. Part of the great thing about custom made anything is that everyone does it differently.
I have always felt that you can learn from everyone, beginner or master, young or old. I believe that often when no one seems to be responding to a post it's not because of the quality of the knife but that it's often hard to tell alot about a knife through pictures online. I usually get the most comments when I have a professional picture taken (hopefully I'm a better knife maker than photographer).
There is no vanity involved in wanting the comments of your piers. That's how we all get better at what we do (which is what we all strive for). Keep posting. :thumbup:
Don't ever hesitate to post pictures of your work. We all love to see what others are doing. Personally, I enjoy looking at the work of all here. Part of the great thing about custom made anything is that everyone does it differently.
I have always felt that you can learn from everyone, beginner or master, young or old. I believe that often when no one seems to be responding to a post it's not because of the quality of the knife but that it's often hard to tell alot about a knife through pictures online. I usually get the most comments when I have a professional picture taken (hopefully I'm a better knife maker than photographer).
There is no vanity involved in wanting the comments of your piers. That's how we all get better at what we do (which is what we all strive for). Keep posting. :thumbup:
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They could tell you "just exactly" what you needed to eat, how you needed to train, etc... But they were fat and sloppy
Dude, I'm pretty sure you just called me fat and sloppy! This whole time I thought you thought I was hot!
I think everyone needs encouragement and criticism. One without the other is usually meaningless, as it doesn't motivate or improve.
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I know that I rarely post pics of knives that I "finish" because I usually end up a little disappointed or pissed off at them. I fully understand there is a significant "learning curve" (and for some of us, well for me anyway, that curve is pretty damn big) so I don't expect "perfection" by any stretch of the imagination, but there are always things about my knives that drive me absolutely crazy. I try to blame it on lacking tools or that the stars weren't aligned right but in reality it usually comes down to the fact that I try to go beyond my skill level (which can be a good thing, to a point) and don't know when to stop and accept that if I go any further I will not be able to improve it's current state. Sometimes I like to continue through, sometimes ruining the knife, just to try to learn something but usually it's because I'm trying to tweak something that rubs me raw.
Now to answer the question of the thread - please don't stop posting pics of your work! It is the pictures of others' knives that give me something to aspire too, however unrealistic that goal might be. I know I'm never going to make anything on the same level as 99% of the makers on here but I can accept that. When I post a pic it's because I'm truly looking for feedback and because I need some guidance because this is a whole new ball of wax for me.
So to any of you makers who hesitate posting pics of your work please don't! It really does help out the little guys, even if we can't offer any constructive criticism it gives us hope of raising the bar a little more for ourselves.
Now to answer the question of the thread - please don't stop posting pics of your work! It is the pictures of others' knives that give me something to aspire too, however unrealistic that goal might be. I know I'm never going to make anything on the same level as 99% of the makers on here but I can accept that. When I post a pic it's because I'm truly looking for feedback and because I need some guidance because this is a whole new ball of wax for me.
So to any of you makers who hesitate posting pics of your work please don't! It really does help out the little guys, even if we can't offer any constructive criticism it gives us hope of raising the bar a little more for ourselves.