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Excuse me? Do I know you?
Its known as asking what the thing cost, do you have a problem with that? Its a very common and appropriate question.
Fred
I'd like to know what the status of this product is. Is it still in development? Has any manufacturing been set up so they can be produced? I would definitely like to know how much it will cost.
The stones appear to be oil stones at present. That, unfortunately, would probably kill the deal for me. Too messy. Someone else asked if it takes "standard" 1x6" blanks. That would be really cool because one could buy any assortment of edgepro stones from CKTG or elsewhere and use exactly what they wanted.
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Brian.
The stones appear to be oil stones at present. That, unfortunately, would probably kill the deal for me. Too messy. Someone else asked if it takes "standard" 1x6" blanks. That would be really cool because one could buy any assortment of edgepro stones from CKTG or elsewhere and use exactly what they wanted.
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After watching the video I would have 2 issues:
1. The knife moves some during the sharpening
2. The angle is constantly changing due to the spring. Sure you can try to hold the same grams of pressure but people are not machines and there will be variance. That needs to be fixed like lathe edge pro or at the very least have a it as an option where you can go back and forth from fixed to the spring option.
1. The knife moves some during the sharpening
2. The angle is constantly changing due to the spring. Sure you can try to hold the same grams of pressure but people are not machines and there will be variance. That needs to be fixed like lathe edge pro or at the very least have a it as an option where you can go back and forth from fixed to the spring option.
2. The angle is fixed. The guide rod and the pivot are "hanging" on a spring above the edge. Wen sharpen he press the sharpener down and the spring compress a little, that is the movement you se. That is also his innovation.
Try this. Take away the pivot point on a Edge Pro and put a stop coller there + a spring, put back the pivot point. Decide a degree as usual - now can you sharpen convex edges with the help of a stop coller and the spring. Start every stroke with little pressure - and under the stroke you increase the pressure and compress the spring = the sharpener makes a controled curve across the edge. You must reperat the same "pressure movement" in every stroke you do - and I think that is something that we gåvan learn very fast.
If you in some way can fix the angle in a specific degree and let the pivot point be not fixed and just sit on the spring. Now can you shapen tappered blades and keep an exact edge angle al along the edge. The edge angle are fixed and in the springs rest position the sharpener shall be 1-2 millimeter above the edge. When you press on the sharpener the sharpener pressens sown ro the edge - and if the blade is tappered it follows the edge - and hold the same fixed angle al along the edge.
It is a new and a very good innovation!
Thomas
Try this. Take away the pivot point on a Edge Pro and put a stop coller there + a spring, put back the pivot point. Decide a degree as usual - now can you sharpen convex edges with the help of a stop coller and the spring. Start every stroke with little pressure - and under the stroke you increase the pressure and compress the spring = the sharpener makes a controled curve across the edge. You must reperat the same "pressure movement" in every stroke you do - and I think that is something that we gåvan learn very fast.
If you in some way can fix the angle in a specific degree and let the pivot point be not fixed and just sit on the spring. Now can you shapen tappered blades and keep an exact edge angle al along the edge. The edge angle are fixed and in the springs rest position the sharpener shall be 1-2 millimeter above the edge. When you press on the sharpener the sharpener pressens sown ro the edge - and if the blade is tappered it follows the edge - and hold the same fixed angle al along the edge.
It is a new and a very good innovation!
Thomas
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I only ask because you should know better, he hasn't offered pricing and he shouldn't offer pricing a his membership level. I leave you with Sparks most relevant points.
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We must have a different interpretation of what baiting means. You seem to be implying that I ask the poster, the projected price in order to either put him in a compromised position or wanted to embarrass him in some way. I posted my impressions of this tool as well as a request for him to PM me, on the other thread, asking about price point and if it will be available any time soon.
Since I joined BF, in 2004 I've gone from registered user to Dealer, Service Provider and I pay the commensurate fees that go with this membership. When I first purchased my current membership I made myself aware of the benefits as well as the restrictions that come with it. I am also fully aware of the rules governing all other memberships on this forum. Even with the Dealer membership I never discuss price on the open forum, but instead use the PM feature or e-mail. I assume this person knows the rules as well as you do. This is quite clear on the other thread if you've looked at it.
This conversation would have been better served if instead of making petty comment without foundation, you had let the situation develop. You as well as the OP have e-mail as part of your basic membership, if in the future you find it necessary to correct other members when you come across perceived wrong doing, consider using e-mail. If your interest is just bashing other members, bash away my friend.
Regards, Fred
Since I joined BF, in 2004 I've gone from registered user to Dealer, Service Provider and I pay the commensurate fees that go with this membership. When I first purchased my current membership I made myself aware of the benefits as well as the restrictions that come with it. I am also fully aware of the rules governing all other memberships on this forum. Even with the Dealer membership I never discuss price on the open forum, but instead use the PM feature or e-mail. I assume this person knows the rules as well as you do. This is quite clear on the other thread if you've looked at it.
This conversation would have been better served if instead of making petty comment without foundation, you had let the situation develop. You as well as the OP have e-mail as part of your basic membership, if in the future you find it necessary to correct other members when you come across perceived wrong doing, consider using e-mail. If your interest is just bashing other members, bash away my friend.
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Yeah I think it would be better if it had an option... It would probably convex an edge pretty good though, but I still find it hard to believe the edge would "look" uniform - not that it matters during use, lol. It's just that the edges I sharpen also have to look good in addition to functioning well so I guess I am just being picky
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Looks like a really solid and adaptable system. I think that your focus should be on the jig rather than the abrasive, and create a stone holder that would allow for users to use a range of stone options For things like serrations, or re-curves, it would be far easier to have a really good jig that people want to buy, without them feeling they have to be stuck into your system of stones. Especially with international customers, and with the risk of your production being halted for any reason. You wouldn't need a huge range of sizes, as many stones are fairly similar, but something that could accept rods, or even strops.
One of the biggest strengths of the system as I see it, is not even using it locked to the angle, but rather that someone could use it "freehand" but with the additional support of the jig, I'm thinking for someone which lowered grip strength or arthritis, it could allow them to do far more sharpening that the would with just bench stones, but also give them the option of that free-hand feel which many people really do want.
One of the biggest strengths of the system as I see it, is not even using it locked to the angle, but rather that someone could use it "freehand" but with the additional support of the jig, I'm thinking for someone which lowered grip strength or arthritis, it could allow them to do far more sharpening that the would with just bench stones, but also give them the option of that free-hand feel which many people really do want.