Thanks for the comments guys, Jack I think I pm'd you.. or it's just on your page there I wasn't sure how to go about that, thanks for offering the tutorial!. Marc, there is yes, hard to tell I guess in the pictures but there is a layer in between. I really don't like the strap set up myself.. I made that hook this morning, the knife can still be taken out without even unhooking it. But, know I know! haha I will definatly work harder at those edges. Thanks again.