Shelter Building, some info that may or not be useful.

DerekH

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At the most recent gathering several people were involved with the Custom Makers Knife Challenge to construct a shelter using green bamboo, and the tools used were the custom knives graciously provided for the cause. The shelter had some issues that were pretty apparent though, and I thought we might discuss some of those issues here as a means of giving some helpful tips to eachother in future endeavors. (Let me begin by saying that I am far from an expert on the process, but I do have a fair amount of knowledge of ropework and knots, so if you see something blatantly wrong, feel free to correct me.)

The first thing we should look at is the shelter that was constructed atop Half Moon Ridge. Here is a picture of the finished product:

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Now it looks serviceable, and in all reality it would function decently enough, however, as anyone that was there can attest, it was far from solid. The word "rickety" comes to mind, and perhaps the biggest cause was the method of lashing the individual pieces together.

As you can see here, the lashing work was very minimal, and wraps were done around the two sticks to attach eachother with little done in the way of reinforcing the tightness you can achieve with a proper lashing:

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In particular look at the attachment method in the bottom right hand corner. A proper square lashing would have provided the best method (in my limited experience) of attaching the main support to the horizontal support used.

Last night during our Scout meeting we undertook a similar task, and although our shelter was not designed to be load bearing due to the size of the saplings we had at hand, our Scouts were able to construct a very durable framework (with guidance) using proper lashings as taught by the Boy Scouts of America. Had there been larger material available for use, I would not have hesitated to place a large amount of weight upon it because the lashings were very well done, and the structure was incredibly strong and stable as a result. (Sorry for the poor picture quality.)

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Now our structure did not have a raised floor as it was mainly to illustrate a fairly quick framework using a tarp as the roofing material, but during our next attempt at shelter building we will attempt something more complex and I will better document the processes we use at that time.

The two main lashings used in a shelter like the one done at Half Moon Ridge and the one our Scout Troop made last night are square lashings and diagonal lashings. Here are a couple of links showing (in detail) the process of tying each.

http://www.animatedknots.com/lashsquare/

http://www.animatedknots.com/lashdiagonal/

While lashing two poles together, if you tighten as you go, making sure to keep the cordage even and properly "dressed" you will find that the initial stages will provide a very strong attachment. However, when you move to the second part of each lashing, known as "frapping", you will tighten the turns holding the poles together even further, creating an incredibly solid joint between the two. Perhaps the most crucial part of the lashing is the beginning and end knots, known as the clove hitch, and proper knowledge of how to tie a clove hitch alone will prove invaluable in almost any situation where cordage is used.

http://www.animatedknots.com/clovehalfhitches/

Hopefully you will find this information helpful and useful in your endeavors. I will update this post with better pictures as I have the time to whip up some examples, as well as other types of lashings and knots useful in the construction of something similar to the shelter done at the gathering.
 
Great info D! I wonder if the sub-standard lashing was a result of the limited amount of cordage. I think Ethan mentioned that even he was surprised at how much rope (and bamboo) this structure required.

Either way, good to know what are considered the best practices!


Thanks for sharing!
 
Oh I'm sure that played into it heavily. 600ft is how much cordage they used total I believe.
 
Yeah. Definitely not slandering the fine folks who were responsible for it's construction, just saying how we could do better. Of course, given the monsoon that then besieged us, wouldn't have made much difference in the end.
 
I stayed clear of the bamboo hut. Looked like there were about 12 Chiefs and no Injuns over there. :p
 
Yeah. Definitely not slandering the fine folks who were responsible for it's construction, just saying how we could do better. Of course, given the monsoon that then besieged us, wouldn't have made much difference in the end.

Yeah, the weather conditions certainly did not help. And I completely agree - no slandering. This was a learning opportunity and I learned that many of the shelters and systems we believe we can make, require significantly more time and materials than may be available. Valuable lesson indeed.
 
How to build a shelter:

1. Get a BK9 (seriously, you need a 9. You can't not have a 9.)

2. Chop down all the trees

3. assemble log cabin

4. Drink!

Alternatively, you can use your becker knife to hollow out a large tree if you're in a hurry.
 
How to build a shelter:

1. Get a BK9 (seriously, you need a 9. You can't not have a 9.)

2. Chop down all the trees

3. assemble log cabin

4. Drink!

Alternatively, you can use your becker knife to hollow out a large tree if you're in a hurry.

LOL! Yeah, a BK 9 will do it!:D
 
Good info. Some of the scouts might want to see a Doctor. Their not looking so good.
 
I stayed clear of the bamboo hut. Looked like there were about 12 Chiefs and no Injuns over there. :p

worse than that - there was only one guy who had seen a bamboo hut up close before and he didn't want to answer any questions on how it was supposed to go together other than make it look like the picture.
some of the joints were tightened with windlass sticks, but not all.
 
bigghoss is a man of the times, with only one thing on his mind.
to never give in, on convincing his friends, they all "can't not have" BK9's.
 
No slander. That would be saying things that are known to be false or with reckless disregard for their truth.

Bamboo makes a great framework for an expedient shelter. Being tubular, it is strong for the weight of the parts. The foliage can be overlapped like shingles to keep out rain. The flood control district in Southern California planted it to control erosion on the banks of the flood control channels starting in the late 1940's, so there was lots around to use for practice.

The shelter in the OP would stop a light rain with no wind - for a time.

The shelter in the OP would provide no insulation against cold or wind protection as it has no sides or bottom.

Takes more time to build than is typically assumed.



IIRC from the builder's description, this one took two (2) lashings.
 
These comments are being made as a total armchair spectator:

The 2 short poles of bamboo supporting the middle of the platform could be replicated at both ends of the shelter, that way the lashings would not be the load bearing points.
 
These comments are being made as a total armchair spectator:

The 2 short poles of bamboo supporting the middle of the platform could be replicated at both ends of the shelter, that way the lashings would not be the load bearing points.

The load bearing was demonstrated (carefully via Matt and Andrew) to be sufficient enough to hold two people, that part wasn't in question, but the stability was of concern. Better lashings would have improved the stability I think, as well as a more thought out approach to the attachment of the support pieces. The entire structure would shift with quite little in the way of force, and enough of that over time would have taken it down (eventually). Again though, I am planning on trying to duplicate the structure with a bit more time and thought (using the materials we have available locally) and will post that up with what (IMO) are improvements in the areas that the bamboo structure lacked, and we can take a better look at the differences and see where improvements can be made. This is most definitely a learning experience for everyone, regardless of experience level.
 
Ok, I wasn't there and I am very inexperienced, however would it have been more secure if you added another piece of bamboo (just a small-ish piece) so that you could really torque down the lashings?

I would think this would be one of the inherent issues with using paracord for an extended time as a lashing, it does stretch out some, so being able to just re-torque it may prove useful.
 
Ok, I wasn't there and I am very inexperienced, however would it have been more secure if you added another piece of bamboo (just a small-ish piece) so that you could really torque down the lashings?

That would be the "windlass sticks" Erik referred to.
 
Instead of counting on lashing exclusively, a little bit of joinery would improve the stability and make better use of the cordage available.
 
Instead of counting on lashing exclusively, a little bit of joinery would improve the stability and make better use of the cordage available.

Very true. I however lack any remote concept of joinery on anything akin to bamboo, but would be very willing to learn. Now since my scouts will be making one out of solid woods, we might be able to try both, say make the shelter using lashings exclusively, then go back and do it again with joinery of varying types. Maybe see what works best, is more expedient, etc... at which point I will have you and Erik on speed dial.
 
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