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Shill bidder's paradise?
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Sure looks like that. How do they define "a higher-priced item"?
From what I have seen so far, ebay considers higher-priced items to be in the $200 & up range.
Good point about shill bidders. Are there any safeguards to prevent sellers from bidding up their items with another account? I'm sure that shill bidding occurs but at least buyers were able to see the list of bidders with the old policy. Now, it appears like there is no way for people to know what is going on behind the bidding scene. Plus, to make it worse, ebay would love to see higher auction prices because that translates into more $$$$ for the company
Good point about shill bidders. Are there any safeguards to prevent sellers from bidding up their items with another account? I'm sure that shill bidding occurs but at least buyers were able to see the list of bidders with the old policy. Now, it appears like there is no way for people to know what is going on behind the bidding scene. Plus, to make it worse, ebay would love to see higher auction prices because that translates into more $$$$ for the company
I once brought a "shill bid" situation to Ebay's attention with a lot of documention and a "paper trail" of the bid, who the shill was (another account to the same guy) and how the guy burned the one account as he bid too high on his own item, won it...then filed positive feedback to himself after a transaction that did not go through, as it was for sale again a few weeks later by the same original seller. Ebay investigated, came to the same conclusion but did nothing, stating that on first time violations they like to give the seller the benefit of the doubt? Really a bad situation!! (this was a $22,000 vehicle by the way....so not exactly "chump change" to be ignored)
My time with eBay dates back to 1996 and I still have 2 shares of the free stock they offered during a random weekend.:thumbup: over that time they have steadily imploded.
Things like this will happen many more times in the future,they own it so its THEIR OPTION How they'll run it.Good,Bad or indifferent :jerkit:
Feedback ratings and rebuttal feedback will generally give clues as to how a Seller handles their business.
Sellers posting multiple available units can be contacted directly for cash offers.
Not a seller one will turn down a transaction when a reasonable offer is made for their products.Dont be asking a Seller with a listed $200 blade if they'll take $75:jerkit:
Simply ask the Seller what the bottom dollar shipped is on an item,they'll either ignore you,reply with a decline of offer or accept your offer and verify your payment method/ shipping address.
Steer clear of BIN's that dont have an opening bid attached,with $10-$20 difference between the two prices most Sellers are showing YOU their bottom price for that item.Offer it to them if you intend to follow thru on purchasing.Most will end it early and sell you the item for that amount.
I still purchase items off and on,I cant recall the last time I actually BID on an item,none of my last 20+ purchases have had shipping charges added .
Power Sellers that have a consistent flow of feedback(10-30 sales per week) are things to look for.Ask them if they have a store front for local viewing before purchase.This gets you past the ebay Listing Services that are in virtually every city,there in lyes the primary source of shill bidding because their commission depends on it.These people have list after list of valid eBay accounts/passwords from which to bid from/with.
Can it be proven ? Shit Naaw:thumbdn: its bullet proof and will continue
Point is you can still use the service successfully without focusing on the trival issues.
FACT .....
Its an AUCTION SERVICE,where WORTH is determined by what someone is willing to pay.So if your out bid on an item....... you didnt really WANT IT that bad did ya
It all depeds on how you handle it . . . . . .
T/
Things like this will happen many more times in the future,they own it so its THEIR OPTION How they'll run it.Good,Bad or indifferent :jerkit:
Feedback ratings and rebuttal feedback will generally give clues as to how a Seller handles their business.
Sellers posting multiple available units can be contacted directly for cash offers.
Not a seller one will turn down a transaction when a reasonable offer is made for their products.Dont be asking a Seller with a listed $200 blade if they'll take $75:jerkit:
Simply ask the Seller what the bottom dollar shipped is on an item,they'll either ignore you,reply with a decline of offer or accept your offer and verify your payment method/ shipping address.
Steer clear of BIN's that dont have an opening bid attached,with $10-$20 difference between the two prices most Sellers are showing YOU their bottom price for that item.Offer it to them if you intend to follow thru on purchasing.Most will end it early and sell you the item for that amount.
I still purchase items off and on,I cant recall the last time I actually BID on an item,none of my last 20+ purchases have had shipping charges added .
Power Sellers that have a consistent flow of feedback(10-30 sales per week) are things to look for.Ask them if they have a store front for local viewing before purchase.This gets you past the ebay Listing Services that are in virtually every city,there in lyes the primary source of shill bidding because their commission depends on it.These people have list after list of valid eBay accounts/passwords from which to bid from/with.
Can it be proven ? Shit Naaw:thumbdn: its bullet proof and will continue
Point is you can still use the service successfully without focusing on the trival issues.
FACT .....
Its an AUCTION SERVICE,where WORTH is determined by what someone is willing to pay.So if your out bid on an item....... you didnt really WANT IT that bad did ya
It all depeds on how you handle it . . . . . .
T/
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What's with ebay's new policy (or maybe not so new for all I know)?:
I've always avoided anonymous auctions because of the chance of shill bidding. Now it seems the chance has been built right in????
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Good catch and post!:thumbup:
You're right. This is an invite to shill bidders. Boooo!:thumbdn:
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a few years back i was bidding on some sill plates for my 62 dodge-
the guy selling them decided to bid against me-guy was a total idiot,he used the same ebay id for both-
i brought it up to ebays attention-he was back the next day with a new name
the guy selling them decided to bid against me-guy was a total idiot,he used the same ebay id for both-
i brought it up to ebays attention-he was back the next day with a new name