Should I send my C/U 7 in?

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I was battoning my C/U7 through a log and I managed to snap the tip off. This should not have happened in my opinion because this was very light use, nothing out of the ordinary.

Should I send it in now? I am just thinking how the strike may effect their warrantee department. I hope they get everything sorted out.
 
Battoning a knife through a log is light use? I gotta ask ya, in who's world is that?

Try an ax next time. Or a chain saw.
 
Most knives are made to be cutting tools, not chopping tools or log splitting wedges. And certainly not intended to be impacted by a hammer, stone, or a 'baton", though there are some now made just for that. Search out a Busse or some other thick spined knife that is intended for such abuse. Or buy United fantasy knives that are disposable.

I second the idea that what you need is a chopping or sawing tool for cutting logs. They call these hatchets, axes, and saws. And a prying tool for prying is called a pry bar, a wedging tool is called a wedge.

Don't blame Camillus because you beat your knife until you broke the tip off. Using a tool for other than it's designed purpose and complaining when it breaks is just plain silly, IMHO!

Codger
 
I think you broke it and I really don't want the price of my next Spydie jacked up because they spent money to fix your mistake.

Buy another one, forget the warranty. They had nothing to do with your breaing the tip using the knife in a manner not suitable for knives.

They make saws, hatchets, axes, wedges and sledgehammer. All are much more effective than knifes at splitting wood, IMHO.
 
DGG said:
I think you broke it and I really don't want the price of my next Spydie jacked up because they spent money to fix your mistake.

Spydie? :confused:

....anyway....

Peter, what were you using as a mallet? If it was another piece of wood I think you have a legitimate claim.
 
BuckyKatt said:
Spydie? :confused:

....anyway....

Peter, what were you using as a mallet? If it was another piece of wood I think you have a legitimate claim.

Yes, it was just a piece of wood. I agree, using anything but wood would be really abusive.
 
That is normal knife use. It is smarter than chopping. That is what I do with my knives. I also use a crewman and bk 9 for splitting and I havn't had any problems.
 
Beating a good knife through a log with another log is normal use? Maybe it is normal for some folks to do, but it is not a wise and proper use of a tool. Some people routinely use a screwdriver as a chisel and prybar, but that is not the wise and proper use of that tool either. Or they beat two hammers together. I make a living with tools, and I fight a constant battle with my workers teaching them to use the right tools for the job. Just the other day I stopped a worker from using a screwdriver handle to hammer the end of a piece of sheetmetal. "Go get a hammer son... right rear sidebox on the service truck...the small ball peen hammer". Same thing on using my shovels for heavy prying. That is why I have San Angelo and railroad bars.

I do realize that since WWII, many people have grown up ignorant of proper tool use and care, and "crossover use" tools are partly to blame, as is the fact that fewer mentors are out there, and fewer people apprentice for jobs requiring tool use.

Codger
 
Good heavens, people---if knives are only meant for skinning or slicing open packages, why in the hell is Camillus building them with 3/16" spines (or close to 1/4" on the Combat Bowie) instead of thinner stock with a flat grind that runs all the way to the spine for better cutting performance? It is possible that a clumsy baton stroke was the culprit, but saying that the basic use was abusive is absurd. I split pieces of southern pine into firewood for about two hours some years ago when I was a go-along adult on a boyscout trip and I was using an Old Hickory butcher knife. I honestly think that some of you believe there is no difference in the scope of intended work between a SAK and a field knife with a seven inch blade.

I would contact Camillus and see what they say. Tell them what happened, and see if they consider putting steel through wood to be beyond the capabilities of their knife that is "...tough enough for any field task... The brawny .188" thick clip point blade is the perfect complement for a knife that may be used for piercing as well as prying. An integral inline hammering pommel has been engineered into the blade tang and is useful for a variety of military and survival uses." I'm willing to bet they have a higher opinion of that knife's capabilities than many here seem to. They should also be able to tell you whether a warranty issue can be handled at this time.

My own CU/7 has been used for splitting, limbing, skinning, food prep and digging holes in hardpacked snow, and has never blinked. My guess would be that this was a defect.
 
If Camillus admits that this knife is made for such use, then I stand corrected. And this old codger is wrong when he thinks you dig with a shovel, split logs with an ax, cut things with a knife and eat with a fork.

Codger
 
When they speak of toughness and hard field use, I'd like to know what would possibly define that if batoning through wood is considered excessive.

As to your other points, you're correct. I do dig with a shovel, split logs with an axe, cut with a knife and eat with a fork when those are the options I have. I'll also dig with a backhoe, buy pre-cut firewood at the lumber yard, cut with a laser, and eat grapes from the hand of a half-naked harem girl while she fans me with a long leaf when those are the options I have. But I will dig with a knife, split logs with a knife, cut with a knife and eat with a knife if that is the option I have. This last is where the "survival" part of survival knife comes in, which is what this line claims to be and is built for. The uses you choose to put it to are of course entirely your own choice, but again if pure cutting is your interest and never a log, limb or root will your knife see, there are a hell of a lot more effective tools for you than a Becker. The stock thickness and geometry of the aforementioned butcher knife will cut circles around the C/U7, be lighter to carry and easier to sharpen. There are other things, though, that the Becker should do better, and WILL in my experience. Here, it failed to do so, and I do believe such an occurrance is what the warranty was designed to address. I doubt the folks there often hear, "I was holding my C/U7 while watching my favorite action movie and shaving the hair on my arm, and it just shattered."
 
Not only does Ethan Becker and Camillus encourage the use of batoning with the Becker line (even the little bk11) but they also encourage piercing and prying with them! I do not pry with any of mine but i do opens cans with them on occasion and i baton the heck out of the bigger models and not just the beckers but other carbon blades such as the extra beefy ontario sp10 and carbon v cold steels and standard ka-bar's etc. I do not believe that batoning should harm any of these thick spined blades. I use a large bowie everyday of the winter with a baton to strip conifer resins for the wood stove and no matter how hard i beat it even with tough twisted roots it doesnt harm it or any of my other blades. It is a lot easier to pack a folding saw and a big blade such as the BK9 on a camp trip than it is to carry a hatchet and batoning is faster at splitting kindling than is a hatchet. Although sometimes i will carry a small fixed blade and one of my vintage old hatchets and am just as happy.
 
Codger_64 said:
If Camillus admits that this knife is made for such use, then I stand corrected. And this old codger is wrong when he thinks you dig with a shovel, split logs with an ax, cut things with a knife and eat with a fork.

Codger

Somewhere,between our generation and recent ones,something was lost.
Common sense tells me not to take a knife to a gunfight.
Any knife may be used for what is normally a job for a hatchet or an ax in an emergency.You may get by using it that way occasionally,but if you want to go out regularly and play "Survival",I wouldn't be surprised if damage occurs.
If I intended to use a knife like that,I'd buy a dozen Chinese-made throw-aways.
Ron
 
So I suppose your point here is that there is no difference in capabilities between the Becker knives and the cheap Chinese throwaways you mentioned, since you would expect the same results from them? That's how I read it, tell me if I'm incorrect.

"Playing survival"

Generally, the best time to find out whether a piece of equipment can adequately serve in emergency use is not during the emergency. Parachutes are generally tested prior to actually being on the backs of people falling out of airplanes, and body armor is generally tested before people are sent into harm's way. Back when I was climbing, every new spike/hook I would get was hammered into a wooden post and jumped on. Call me paranoid, I didn't want to find out that one of them couldn't support me when I was hanging from it.

These knives of the Becker line are designed to be, and advertised as, hard use knives. They do not cut as well as thinner knives with thinner edges--that's not a reflection on Becker, that's simple physics. When Ethan Becker designed these knives, I don't think you'll tell me he gave up that pure cutting ability for absolutely no reason. These are intended to serve in applications where a thinner, more fragile cutting instrument would not serve as well. Would one of you non-chopping, non-limbing, non-splitting, non-prying diehards please please please explain to me why then, in your opinion, these knives exist? For cutting into boxes with LOTS of tape on them? For spreading extra-thick peanut butter?

The only difference I'm noting between the generations here is that as soon as points are brought up which (apparently--prove me wrong) are not easy to argue with, the subject is changed to the much safer 'what's wrong with young people today' nonsense.

The knife in question broke during use that should not have broken it, and did not live up to expectations. The warranty is there to replace items that do not meet expectations. I really fail to grasp the confusion here.
 
t1mpani said:
.... I really fail to grasp the confusion here.

Exactly so. Admitting lack of comprehension is the first step on the path to knowledge Grasshopper!:D

Codger
 
God I can't wait until I'm an old guy. Life must be so much simpler when you can pretend you can't hear people who are raising questions you can't answer.
 
I have asked you many times in this thread to explain why I'm wrong, what your explanation is as to why these knives are designed the way they are if they're not to be used for any purpose that you wouldn't do better to employ a filet knife in, and why a warranty that says "you break it, send it to us" should not be applicable to a broken knife. Until you stop playing the old man card and answer me, I have to assume you don't any information to impart.

Peter, be sure to tell us what Camillus says if you can get ahold of anybody.
 
In a survival situation you must be able to get to the dry part of wood and you can not do it by cutting and slicing. You must split. The beckers are pefect for this. The bk7 just has a much thinner point than the crewman, bk9 and brute.
 
Easy way to resolve this. Here is the profile for the nice customer service person who stopped in here recently. Give her a call and see if Camillus will repair the knife. Can ask too if batonning voids the warranty.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php?u=162983

I own a couple of Beckers... fine knives. A BK9 and a Tactool. Perhaps I should know what the capabilities are of these knives... It is just way, way beyond what I think of any knife should be used as. Yeah, in an out and out survival situation, anything goes, but striking a knife with anything in order to cut with it still seems outlandish to me. As it does to my friend Codger.
 

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