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Hello folks,

sometime next year february I am going on a hard survival tour in the german forests.. basic idea is that we (a group of computer geeks plus me) cross about 100 miles in a week, there is no human soul in the whole area we need to go through. I'm planning on taking a camp axe ( I'll let someone else carry that one :D ), a knife ( choice out of : Kabar USMC black, Sog NW ranger, Buck intrepid chisel point, Becker magnum camp *thanks Mark :D * and a Sog Seal 2000.
And a folder.. I'm looking for the best I can get, because this is gonna be a tough one since we are not allowed to carry food and only 2 liter water each.
Now I have a customized (removed BT2 black stuff) BM axis AFCK plain edge, spydie endura and a Classic Sebbie wood inlayed s30V.

I could take the sebbie, since it is no doubt the best knife I have, But it is also the prettiest and it's NIB...

So my question is this : Which would you bring along ( besides the axe) for a long hard survival tour in a wet and cold dense european forest right after winter ?

I'm planning on taking my .243 winchester/ 12-76 with like 50/50 rounds too just in case. With scope set for 100 meters and some stainless shot shells. for food if needs be :D

Second question. ... should I bring the sebbie? Would you bring it if you were in my position and on my budget - which means almost zero money left on a student budget :D

greetz and take care, Bart.
 
The Becker Magnum sounds ideal for the type of exercise you will be on.

As for the Sebbie--I'd take it! It's real pretty, but it also is meant to be used and used hard. You will "bond" with it during your trip.

One suggestion: If you take the Sebbie, I'd recomend one of Chris Reeve's excellent leather belt sheaths. You wouldn't want to become separated from it in rugged territory.

Enjoy yourself! It sounds like fun.:)
 
I agree with knifenerd. As far as the Sebbie you can always send it back to CRK for a refurbish if you want to restore the finish. Personally I like use markings, but should you decide to sell it one day the refurbish might be a good idea.
 
Originally posted by Bart student
So my question is this : Which would you bring along ( besides the axe) for a long hard survival tour in a wet and cold dense european forest right after winter ?
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some really nice warm clothing would be REALLY high on my list of things to remember :D
 
for the big knife I'd carry the Buck Intrepid. Since I bought one it's the only knife I reach for when heading for the woods. I like the single piece construction, I don't know how you'd go about breaking it. I'd stick a small ceramic stone somewhere in the 'sac, you're always too far from somewhere when you chip a blade.
Above all I would carry a method of firestarting in any weather.
 
Originally posted by Bart student
I'm planning on taking my .243 winchester/ 12-76 with like 50/50 rounds too just in case. With scope set for 100 meters and some stainless shot shells. for food if needs be :D
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Illegal.
 
>"basic idea is that we (a group of computer geeks plus me) cross about 100 miles in a week, there is no human soul in the whole area we need to go through."

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I'd be curious to know where in Germany (heck, <i>anywhere</i> in Central Europe for that matter) there is still a 100-mile stretch of terrain with no human soul.

As to what folder to take, I'll be the first to put in the obligatory recommendation for a SAK.
 
I'd take the SOG Seal 2000, the Spyderco Endura, AND a SOG PowerLock. If you lose any of those 3 it won't "break your bank" to replace them, BUT if you were to lose your Sebbie...
 
I would have to agree. If or more like when I get my first Sebenza I will use it as an EDC, however if I am going camping or something of that nature I will just use another cheaper knife. My next camping trip I plan on bringing along a Decent folder, but this is coming with me too. :D



It's cheap and I wouldn't worry about dinging it up.
 
Thanks for the replies so far folks, keep'm coming I'd say :D

Soooo the gun is illegal.. crap... what is legal that I can use to hunt animals for food?

As for location? We don't know.. we get kinda dropped. could be anywhere, but I suspect germany - somewhere.. and as far as I can see, the only place big enough without people is the black forest or schwarze wald. But then that is some kind of protected park ??

soooo buck intrepid and sebbie with a decent belt sheath ....

As for multi tools.. I usually carry the leatherman because it has a built in sharpener, the diamond file :D

thanks for the replies people, more interesting thoughts are always welcome - funny thoughts too :D

greetz and take care all,

Bart.
 
Originally posted by Bart student
Soooo the gun is illegal.. crap... what is legal that I can use to hunt animals for food?
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Disclaimer: IANAL
You need to have a special permit to hunt. This is expensive and time-consuming. As far as I know, you aren´t allowed to hunt with bow and arrow or crossbow here.
 
If it were me, and only me, I would ask myself why on earth would I take a $300+ folder (when I'm a starving student) with the very real risk of it getting lost on the way to the woods, while camping, coming back, or amongst the many other several hundred square miles you'll be travelling?

I know people swear by Sebenzas like a sommalier stands by a good Riesling, and that's great, and to avoid yet another potential Sebenza war, I'm not questioning the quality of the knife here.

But whatever is being cut doesn't know the difference between a $95 Spyderco Military (or whatever), and a $350 Sebenza. But you'll know if you lose it!

Besides, your fixed and hatchet are going to be taking care of the tough chores anyway. Truth is, you can get by with a cheap SAK.

Ultimately, it's your decision. You better at least use a lanyard if you're gonna go for the Sebenza.

Make sure you guys leave the notebook computers at home!

FTC

P.S. May I suggest you watch "Deliverance" before your trip. ;)
 
I just don't understand purchasing a high performance knife and then leaving it home 'cause you're scared to lose it. :eek:
Especially if it is on any sort of outdoor trip where your survival (at the most) and comfort (at the least) depend on it.

Becker
Sebbie
Multi-tool
SAK
I'd go with a folding saw instead of an axe, since the saw is much lighter. I may change my mind after Christmas though...GB SFA is on the wish list...
Having said that...

You need to buy a bunch of MRE's or backpacking meals and a small stove. If you depend on foraging, I doubt you will all make it. Throw in a water purifying device too.
Shooting game & fishing have seasons. Do either out of season is poaching, frowned upon all over the world. Besides, that rifle will get very heavy, very fast.

Do your research, there are lots of good outdoor forum/resources out there, and have a good time :)
 
Originally posted by Ebbtide
I just don't understand purchasing a high performance knife and then leaving it home 'cause you're scared to lose it. :eek:
Especially if it is on any sort of outdoor trip where your survival (at the most) and comfort (at the least) depend on it.
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That's because you're you, and I'm me. Conversely, I don't know why someone on a limited budget like a student would want to risk losing it, or even afford a knife like that (He must buy second hand books). Then again, if he's from a wealthy family and a Sebenza is a drop in the bucket, I say go for it!

Different people have different levels of risk tolerance and risk aversity. I wouldn't wear a Rolex (if I had one) to go camping either because a Timex works just as well. But others may...Then again, I misplace things very, very easily.
 
If you are taking an axe, there really isn't a need for the large fixed blade...Just my opinion.
You already have the Sebbie. It won't let you down. Use it.
A SAK with saw blade would be a better choice for such an excursion.

Paul
 
If your life might depend on your knife, take the very best you have. If you're afraid it might get beat up or lost why have it? Isn't that what Sebenza means, work? A knife that is destined to cut only threads and the mail doesn't need the strongest lock out there. Just my two bits, but what do I know I don't have a Sebenza. But I did take my shiny new khukuri (the most expensive knife this poor guy owns) against planks and posts. It will never be flawless again, but to me the beauty is in the ability not a flwaless finish.

Frank
 
As far as the fixed blade, I definitely wouldn't bother with the prybars. IE: Buck, or Campanion. IF I took one it would be the SOG NW Ranger, just for the cutting and handling qualities.

As far as the folder it'd be a dilemma between the Spydie and the Sebbie. I can't imagine a reason why the Spydie would fail ya', and it would be MUCH lighter. BUT, on the other hand...since yer talkin' a survival style trip, and things can get twisted and screwed up in the blink of an eye, I wouldn't hesitate a moment to bring the Sebbie.

Sebbies have an odd way of not getting lost, perhaps due to a tendency to be much more careful with $300+ knives than we are with $50 knives. Also, remember that you can have the Sebbie reconditioned to look like new for a nominal fee when ya' get back.

To gain perspective...imagine you're half way through, it's cold an' nasty as heck out there and a member of your party falls, and shatters a femur or something, on top of a menagerie of other fractures, lacerations, and so forth... YOU have the honor of making a campfire to keep him warm, making a traction splint, or perhaps a litter to carry him out, and oh yeah, he was carrying the axe and it went down river when he fell. And another buddy got bored and started throwing your fixed blade at camp one night, thusly sacrificing it to the forest fairies as well.. Would you feel more comfortable with the Sebbie in such a crappy situation? then carry it. On the other hand if you'd feel just as comfy with the Spydie, use it and save yourself some weight. (I'm assuming it's FRN) Overall, I just wouldn't let monetary cost affect my decision when looking at potentially extreme conditions.

To be real frank (and I hate to say this) I opt for the "carry an SAK" party line.

In parting, I'd just like to post a final (semi lucid) thought: If you take care of the ounces, the pounds will take care of themselves.

Good luck and have fun, eh?
 
That's because you're you, and I'm me.
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Well you are certainly right there :)

I really doubt that anyone would lose a $350 knife anyway.
I know...defecation occurs...
I'm willing to agree to disagree ;)

Here's a twist, if you use it, you'll probably keep it.
If you're keeping LNIB, that means you'll sell it sooner or later.
Use it, keep it & enjoy it...you derseve it:D
 
It will not work in your place and it would be really sorry to lose or break it (remember – thin edge in pretty hard steel).
For the trip you have described I would choose decent medium-sized axe (strong, handy and lightweight Fiskars preferably) and small fixed blade like SPYDERCO Bill Moran Featherweight. The reason is quite simple – sufficient performance (at sensible use of course) in possibly light package. I always have been lazy and never tended to carry more than I really need.
OK, small SAK could be an “just-in-case” addition.

However if you absolutely like to carry big fixed blade – no one of your mentioned is any good for food preparing, the most common task you more than likely will use your knife for. Maybe excepting SOG Northwest Ranger, but I don’t like its partially serrated blade... I think SOG X-42 Field Knife would serve you much better. It is pretty big (not enough for chopping however) but still sufficiently controllable for sensible and accurate work.

Among your mentioned folders SPYDERCO Endura would be quite enough, in fact axe plus Endura only could make pretty reasonable set.

I also wouldn’t play with illegal items. Not excluded the only animals you could hunt could be domestic ones and problems with police could be harder challenge than trip as itself.
100 miles without any human soul – hmm, I could imagine something like in Siberia, South-Eastern Asia or Africa but in Germany... :confused:
 
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