SIFU Pocket Clip

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EQUALIZER

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I think that my opinion reflects the wishes of many of us. I would like to see the first run (and consecutive ones) SIFUs with a pocket clip. Considering the size and intended nitch of this folder, it makes IMHO the most sense to equipt it w/ a clip. If it has a clip, it can always be removed easily by anyone who does not want to carry it in that mode. If it does not, well, how many makers out there offer to drill and tap the knife after it leaves the shop? Another benefit would be gained by drilling and tapping both sides, point up AND down, making carry options a choice that each owner can customize! A cheap nylon sheath is a poor substitute for the universal choices listed above, IMHO. If someone wants a sheath carry option, why don't they ask one of the several aftermarket kydex makers to make one, or do it themselves w/ that or another material. I think that most of us would be more qualified to do that than to attempt our own drilling and tapping of our SIFU.
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What do you think?
PS: I tried to order one before the cut off date and had no such luck. I will take the blame, realizing that I'm pretty much computer autistic. By the time that I found a phone #, the Blade forums shop was closed, so I left a message. Can I still get a Serial #d green one? Please let me know. -THANKS!
EQUALIZERplus@netscape.net

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36 & John 3:18
 
Bob will not put a clip on the Sifu if he feels that it will not be safe for the customer.

I am in agreement with him, the knife is so big that it's probably going to be a back pocket knife, and as such, tip up carry is a major concern. I personally can't see putting a clip on the knife where it would either
a. Fall out of the pocket due to it's size, or
b. Could wind up with someone cutting their fingers due to a portion of the blade sticking out of the pocket.

Maybe in later runs there will be a clip, but not right now.

Also, the sheath would be a Kydex sheath, not a nylon sheath.

If you still want a Sifu, contact me on Monday, and I'll see what I can do.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com

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Good deal, I didn't want a clip on it. Mine's prolly going to live in an inside jacket pocket.

Spark, what's this about sheaths? Are they available?

[This message has been edited by Ewok (edited 22 August 1999).]
 
Kevin,

Thanks for the response. I like the back pocket carry if it is a small folder and I plan to spend alot of time on my feet. When I sit, I find myself doing a major backarch/grab/shift technique to get the knife to as far right (I'm right-handed) as possible, so that its comfortable, w/ a 4" & larger folder. For conceiled carry, inside the waistband seems like an option, especially w/ a rust resistant blade like ATS34. This is not a complaint, its merely a personal preference that suits me best.

As far as opening in the pocket due to the clip, I can understand why Bob would consider not adding one, (although I've never had this happen to me personally). Besides being safety concious, there's alot of guys trying to get rich quick by bringing lawsuits against manufacturers (much like the firearms industry today). Most of us today will not put less than 4 lb. trigger pulls on handguns for liability reasons, even though there are plenty of people who train and safely use 3#.Besides, I'm sure that Bob wouldn't like his beautiful folders cutting what they were not intended to cut....

Solution: If this run leaves the factory with threaded holes, minus the clips, those of us who want them could buy a clip from an aftermarket supplier for $1, drill the clip and add it ourselves. This would do 3 things:
1)Releave Bob and the company from any liability , 2)Keep the knife from loosing value, since the holes left the factory that way, instead of 'Joe machinest' doing the aftermarket 'custom work.' 3)Make everyone happy with unlimited options.
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Again, this is not a complaint, just someone trying to offer a solution for those who have requested this option (before they leave the shop.) THANKS KEVIN & BOB!!! Robert

 
EQUALIZER, that is a very good Idea. I sure hope that is what is done. I want a clip. Even if it is to big to clip in pocket, clips are still handy to have. You can clip on belt or other stuff. I will have a clip on mine I hope I don't haft to drill and tap it myself.

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Gregg,

A handle of that length I think would tend to swipe up (and possibly out) of my back pocket as I slide down into a chair (esp. car seat).A Clip, although not necessary for all, would be beneficial for many. I personally would wear it opposite my shooter inside the waist band or for formal wear, maybe inside the breast pocket of a suit opposite my wallet; albeit, my light n empty wallet wouldn't quite balance it out. I say this because the next, larger folder would benefit from such a simple clip w/ multiple places to attach it (Hint-hint. Are you listening Bob)?
Unfortunately, by the time I tried to place an order late last week, I couldn't get through and found out today that its too late to get a serial numbered SIFU.
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Oh, well.

On the brighter side, it sounds like all of you lucky k-nife k-nuts may get a sheath with it (note: this is NOT a confirmation, only a hopeful wish for all of you who are fortuneate enough to get one.) You''ll have to ask Spark for the details. All that I know for sure is, for the reasons that he stated above, and that the design doesn't allow it for a tip down carry clip (which is what the "folding sword" should have for crying out loud)!

Even though I didn't get one, it looks like a winner w/ that long recurved blade and I hope you all enjoy your new tool.

SPECIAL REQUEST: PLEASE MAKE THE NEXT MODEL DRILLED BOTH SIDES FOR TIP DOWN CARRY. ALSO GIVE IT A RECURVE (OR KRISS) STYLE BLADE W/ UPSWEPT POINT. WANT HIGH CARBON TOOL STEEL W/H2O PROOF COATING. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeese!!!!!!

Robert (New forum member)

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36 & John 3:18

[This message has been edited by EQUALIZER (edited 23 August 1999).]
 
Won't know for sure until I get one, but it seems to me the Sifu is too big for a pocket. I have been planning on making a Kydex holster for mine.

Harv
 
I personally don't like SOB *anything* as it poses a very real risk to your spine should you get knocked on your butt.

If there is a sheath, it will probably be a side break one.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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Good point, Spark.

Althoug it conceals well, SOB carry is pretty risky (which is exactly what a weapon should cut down on...Risk to health & vitality). When I found out that it'd be clipless, I wanted that option too, until realizing that is exactly why I never put firearms there either. I think that we have a solution that I'm still mulling over.

I was pretty disappointed about not being able to get a serial #ed SIFU at first, then I realized that its in God's hands and should be grateful for the blades that I have already. He has given me some of the best hardware that this world has to offer, so I'm pretty happy. Maybe I'll get one someday. Maybe I won't. Anyway, I'm happy for all you guys who did. Have fun!!!!!
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-Robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36 & John 3:18

[This message has been edited by EQUALIZER (edited 24 August 1999).]
 
I must admit, Spark and equalizer, you have a valid point. I had a Galco SOB for my 1911 and got rid of it because of that reason. However, some type of easily concealable kydex sheath would be nice. I'm thinking that with the right design of open top or open bottom sheath, concealed in the right place, a flick open could be incorporated in the draw of the knife. In other words, draw, flick, present in one movement. Does that sound better?
Equalizer, I like your attitude. Do you think that by not getting a serial numbered knife means you can use yours? Or are you like me and use every knife you buy?

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So is REKAT going to actually be coming out with a kydex SIFU sheath or are we going to have to get something made on our own or what? I don't want the clip. IMO, a clip isn't practical on a knife that big. If nothing else I'll carry it in my right front pocket, like I do with my VG now.

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Mike Melone
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"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796

 
CAL,

If I got a SIFU w/ a serial # and I liked the way that it fit my hand, as well as other features, I would use it. Like you, all of my knives are users, albeit some get used more than others. If it didn't fit my hand, or for whatever reason would not be practicle for me to use, but looked good, I'd be tempted to put it in a showcase in the living room. But to think about it, I'd probably find a good home for it w/a friend who's hand it fit. I'm not much of a collector. My knives get used daily. Nothing wrong w/ collecting & keeping in pristine condition to eventually sell. Its just that realizing that I'm not going to be in this world all that long, I might as well use my favorite toys (just enjoy them more that way).
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Some people buy low, sell high and buy better , more expensive knives. Nothing wrong w/that. But if the knife were a collector that I really liked, but wouldn't use, I'd probably find a friend who could. If I were simply usable art work, like a damascus, it might go on the livingroom wall. Now to think about it, my Lordich Damascus swept blade hunter is a user.

My fiance' is a master seamstress and does some really great modifications that allows me to use my rigs in ways that are unusual, but really work well. I came up with the under the shirt, inside waistband holster long before the big time holstermakers. She's made dress shirts that allow me to wear white dress shirts in open view, and no ones the wiser. After we get married, maybe we'll come up w/ something for the BIG folders. 1)Comfort, 2)Conceilability, and 3)Access being the goals.

-Robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36 & John 3:18
 
I carry some expensive blades but they tend to get treated as "weapon only", seldom used or drawn. I have a Gerber Multipliers that's my "beater utility" and I thrash the hell out of that...but my "weapons grade" pieces don't tend to get a lot of abuse despite daily or near-daily carry.

Sifu #1 will definately be a daily-carry piece.

JM
 
I want a clip. I put a clip on a VG and have carried it in my front pocket (works best with jeans) and behind the hip in my waistband. If the Sifu holds closed as well as most other knives, I do not see a problem with accidental openings while being carried.

REKAT seems to like to push the envelope of knife design, putting function well ahead of form, for which they should be congradulated. Clip knives are lightyears ahead of sheaths in the function department. The VG used to come with a kydex IWB sheath, but that went the way of the Edsel in favor of a clip on production models. Why go and reinvent the wheel when others have been there and done that and have found a better road?

I vote for a clip that is removeable and reversable so those who prefer sheaths can have a sheath made that works for them. This trend of multimount sheaths makes for bulky, user unfriendly, and mostly awkward carry. "One sheath for all" sheaths, ment to be carried only one way, do not work for all people. Some people can't carry IWB or SOB, or horizontal. Some do not like the feel of Kydex against the skin. Some just do not like Kydex, and would prefer leather...(Where is G2 when you need him?) If all else fails, I guess the more enterprising of us can atach a clip without too much hassle.

Hey Bob, Which would cost more, sheaths or clips?

YeK

P.S. Thank you for doing this project Bob. This is way cool.


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Until I get an actual production knife in my hand and work with it I will reserve judgment on that we are doing. I am thinking about all three options but want to make the decision based on the knife as we get all the parts together and I personaly see how the positive the blade is held closed. Remeber this is one massive blade and there is a lot of weight there. Out concern is Safety first Safety secondly and just to be safe Safety. The decision will be made after thorough testing as soon as the decision is made you guys will hear it first

Bob Taylor

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