Sig Gsr 1911

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i posted pictures of my new GSR a few weeks ago, and someone asked for an evaluation report. Here it is.

I carefully cleaned and then lubed the new pistol, wet to the rage and put 150 rounds through it. First fifty were 230 grain Blazers and the last 100 were 230 grain Federal Hydroshock.

I seldom got through a magazine with either ammo type without a failure to feed. There were no extraction or ejection problems, only feeding. The tie-up always occurred in the middle of the stack, never the top or bottom. This happened with both magazines provided. The last two magazines of Hydroshock did feed ok, so maybe some shooting-in was needed, but unfortunately I ran out of ammo at this point.

I have called SIG and they have given me a shipping authorization to return the pistol. They offered to send me two new magazines first, saying that they had experienced some problems with their early production magazines.
Turns out that my gun was October 2006 production, after the magazine issues and feeding problems were supposed to have been resolved. I asked what percentage of their GSR problems had been cleared up by new magazines, and was told about 15% or so. Based on these low odds, I elected to return the pistol. However, I think that I will make one more range trip first, and try it with a couple of Colt magazines that have always performed well in my Combat Commanders.

The problem guns seem to seek me out. Judging by the glowing evaluations, I must have got the only Kahr K9 in existance a few years ago that wouldn't feed. It took three returns, including requesting and getting a replacement pistol the last time, to get a reliable Kahr. Same thing with a Tarus .22 revolver, three returns, the last for a replacement. Never had a problem with my two Colts, though.

I hope they can get this resolved because I like everything else about the GSR. This is my first experience with SIG, and based on their reputation, to say that I am disappointed so far is an understatement.
 
Ive read to many bad things about there 1911s on the Sig forum. Thats the only thing holding me back from getting one. They have a ton new 1911 varients out now but I think Ill wait awhile before I get one. Think Ill buy an HK next. Thanks for the report.
 
Thanks for the followup Mike. I was waiting for your report. Please keep us posted on how this plays out.
 
Best 1911 grip ergo's I have ever held,... perfect machining and checkering asn such,... and part to part each internal pieces are top notch compared to all other factory guns which use mim...

they do however often suffer from 'timing' issues (cam/sear fitment), often taking several trips to sig to perfect...

I havent had the time/chance yet to take mine out for a spin yet, but will soon unless i trade her for a G17/G26/870P as i would like to do...

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hey mike, thx for the review, our agency is working on a policy for 1911 carry. i have also heard of the sig issues. we had not intended to authorize them, but your eval gives me additional insight.

and you are not the only one with kahr issues. got a friend who sent his pm40 back several times before it would function. but now he doesnt carry it because he doesnt trust it.

i think most people say their guns are flawless because they dont want anyone else to talk trash. but i have yet to own or fire a gun that does not malfunction, including my glocks, kimbers, colts. no firearm is perfect.
 
But some are less imperfect than others :p . Actually the Sig 1911's made me change my thinking on 1911's. I used to oohh and ahh over name brand parts or the number of forged components vs. cast. The sig 1911 has great specs, but look at how many people experience problems. It made me realize name brand parts and forged parts are all fine and dandy. But there are more important considerations..........
no firearm is perfect.
 
Think Ill buy an HK next.

Actually, HK's .45 isn't a 1911 technically. I found with those it helps to have huge hands to deal with the double stacked handle grip. It always felt to me like it was going to come flying out of my medium sized mitts. HK's are ok, and a good value, but the 1911 is still to date the greatest handgun style ever made.:D

I've owned a bunch of 1911's. I competed with a number of different ones in our local practical pistol club comps, and the only one I never had fail me was one of the cheapest one I own. It's a Springfield Arms Trophy Match. It's not cheap at $800, but compared to a Baer or other customs, its the only one I'd rely on. I've put 10k+ lead rounds thru my S.A. and I think it only gets better. SA's Trophy Match is made for match shooting with great upgrades like match sights, trigger, and barrel, but is still a factory (not custom) pistol. I think what sets it apart is that you get all kinds of custom features for a factory price. Custom hand crafted guns suck. The parts are too tight and cause failures. That's right, I said it. I've got a custom Baer I paid 2k for that sits in my safe. It sucks. Jams up all the time. With 10k rounds thu my 1911, I think I have the right to an opinion about them. I've competed with Glocks of all cal., Sig 9mms, and HK & 1911 .45's. Had the highest scores and the most reliability with my Trophy Match. My local buddies laugh at me as they pull out their customs while I polish up my cheapo factory. I laugh at them when their hand tooled tight-ass fitted custom jams while the competition clock is running. :D
 
Custom 1911's might jam more than a WW2 Colt but I still lust after a Valtro.

If you want a gun that always goes bang, get a Glock 17. At this point their record is as good or better than the record that the 1911 developed during it's military trials.

On the other hand a Glock 17 gives me the same emotional response as a Toyota Carola.
 
Thank you FOB!!! Finally someone has come out and said it!
I know, right? How dare I call a spade a spade. I've been saying it for years, and getting in trouble for it everytime.

I'm sure we're way off topic talking about guns on a knife thread, but since we're here I have to say I agree that Glocks always go bang, and are completely innovative and original and cool. I've got 4 that I love like children. But, you know how even you're kids can get on your nerves and annoy you. That's how I feel about Glock. I think if they ratcheted down the 8lb trigger pull to about 4 or 5 I would get on the Glocks rule band wagon. I don't care what anyone says, the triggers are too heavy and cause the shooter to pull his second shot (during a double tap) to the right. They do for me no matter how many hundreds of rounds I burn trying to practice. Just my 2 pence.

1911's on the other hand are perfectly perfect in every way. I know the ammo is low on a single stack, versus the double stack glocks, etc. but whatever. I honestly think I'm lethal with a 8 rounds in a 1911, whereas with a glock I'd need all 15 to finish the job. It's a trigger thing for me.
 
Actually, HK's .45 isn't a 1911 technically. I found with those it helps to have huge hands to deal with the double stacked handle grip. It always felt to me like it was going to come flying out of my medium sized mitts. HK's are ok, and a good value, but the 1911 is still to date the greatest handgun style ever made.:D


I never said anything about an HK .45. Id never buy one becuase the grips are to big for me. My next handgun purchase will be a HK P20009(sk) becuase Ive been lusting after one for awhile. Im happy with my Sig 220st as my single stack .45 right now.
 
I never said anything about an HK .45.
My bad. No offense. The topic was on .45's and you said you were going to buy HK. You know what they say when you assume, that you're going to make an ass of yourself.:rolleyes:
 
You werent offending me, I know almost nothing about 1911s. What you said is about par for the course on what Ive read on 1911s. Maybe Ill buy one soon and find out for myself if I can get off this Infi kick. It probably will be a Sig Revolution though since I have an affinity towards Sigs.
 
1911's and INFI are a marriage made in heaven. Your Sig will only be a temporary distraction though. You'll only wind up dividing your attention. Both are equally entertaining and addicting.

My suggestions is that you might as well just buy yourself an ammo making press when you buy the thing, cuz unless you're loaded you'll never be able to buy enough boxes of ammo to quench the thirst for shooting that a 1911 creates. Just buy the press and start cranking them out. Nothing's as fun as showing up to the range with 500 rounds to rip through.:D
 
to be fair to customs, my friend just bought a wilson combat cqb. simply awesome! we have put about 500 rounds through it and have not had a malfunction.......yet. im sure its coming, but i tried to induce a failure, but couldnt. (note i did not say 'limp wrist') so at least in this instance, he got a great gun.

im not speaking for all customs, just this one, my only wilson experience. the baers i have seen in person dont impress me, poor finish and mediocre craftsmanship. havent seen the busse in person. although i have not shot one.

i love my kimbers. especially my warrior.
 
I never said anything about an HK .45. Id never buy one becuase the grips are to big for me. My next handgun purchase will be a HK P20009(sk) becuase Ive been lusting after one for awhile. Im happy with my Sig 220st as my single stack .45 right now.

The best HK .45 is no longer made:

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That's weird. I've never had any problem with my Kimber. Put around 10 boxes through it the first day with no problem. The only autoloader I've ever had problems with was my USP 9mm.
 
With ANY new auto, you should put a minimum of 500 rounds through it before any determination is made. That will "wear in" the parts, smooth it up, and uncover any problems. Use a small amount of Break Free, make sure the magazines are good, and shoot hell out of it. That's the true test. Bill
 
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