Sig P229 vs. HK P7 vs. Walther P99

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Costas

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Which one? Not for self defence (no concealed carry licence!) but for target shooting, Practical Pistol competition (Standard category, like IDPA rules) and, of course, pride and joy of ownership!

P.S. Please don't say "Glock", yes, I know, it's a great gun, but I don't want it.
 
Ok, I'll keep my mouth shut...
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The P229 competition model sure is sweet. That would be the one I would go with.

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Dennis Bible
 
Costas,

Seriously, if you only want one pistol; you have to get a model 1911 45 acp.

I highly recommend the Les Baer Premier II pistols ($1428.00).

http://www.lesbaer.com/1911s.html

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They are expensive, but you said only one gun that you would be proud of.

This one has Tom Mayo's custom Koa grips.
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Only get smooth grips if you have the front and back of the grip stippled.


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Scrap 'em all. (Not literally as they are all quality pistols.) For an out of the box IDPA pistol, look at the often overlooked Browning HiPower. This pistol is a solid single action auto that is very accurate right out of the box. It was the first hi-cap and hi-cap mags are everywhere for it and relatively cheap. Most only need decent sights (not expensive) and an extended thumb safety (also, not very expensive and easy to do.) Find someone who owns one and shoot it.
She don't have plastic or a double action trigger, but she will digest just about anything and is a great shooter with little time or money sinking into her. She's also got the next best body to a 1911.
Happy Shooting
recondoc

PS. For more info on the BHP see www.fnhipower.com
 
wow,

really partial to the BHP, but after getting my sig 228 and my p7psp, i have to say that pride of ownership goes to the PSP. i do NOT recommend getting the PSP per say, because it sorta exotic, but the regular M8 and M13 models are excellent. the mechanics in the P7 line is really unique. they are accurate as hell and function very well. walthers were sorta, well plastic. for poly frames, i had to go with the USP tactical...better'n a SOCOM.
the sig, psp and tactical all shoot about the same as far as accuracy goes.

you'll want to go to .45, trust me. i never thought i'd leave my nines, but boy was i wrong.

toast
 
I'm with toast on this one. I've shot all three, I like all three, but the P7 is unique and, I believe, superior. I carry a P7 M8 every day and I use it for IDPA competition. It is realiable and accurate. Best of all, it is the safest handling handgun I have ever seen without giving up anything to speed.

--Bob Q
 
For IDPA use, Magazine damage and cost are a factor for me. I've shot the 'practical' competition gun games for over ten years. The Mags take a major beating.

I'm not up on the cost of P7 mags. In 1986, I paid $70 for a P7 mag , I could only imagine what they go for now.

Quality 1911 mags are affordable, and the bumper pads help.

-Seth
 
Thanks, people.
I am still thinking about this. The only drawback for the P7 is the difficulty of getting magazines for it.

As for single-action autos, I don't want a 1911 but I do like the Hi Power (maybe later, as a second gun).
 
HK USP .45 My favorite by far. I love my 1911, but. I keep going back to my HK.
 
Originally posted by Seth Thomas
I'm not up on the cost of P7 mags. In 1986, I paid $70 for a P7 mag , I could only imagine what they go for now.
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That's very strange. I pay around $45 for new H&K factory mags at my local gun store.

--Bob Q
 
The H&K M8 mags are reasonable, but the banned M13s are an arm and a leg. I don't believe they import the M13 version of the P7 anymore, and only law enforcement could hope to get new M13 mags. Nonetheless, it is a great pistol.

I was entertained to see the bad guy in a recent Bond movie used a P7. It was interesting to note that when Bond took the P7 away from the bad guy and shot him with it, the pin at the back of the slide that indicates cocked condition did not seem to show that the pistol was cocked. Bond must be even better than I thought to shoot a guy with an uncocked pistol!

DPD.
 
In California, during the mid-eighties, HK firearms were highly desired and somewhat hard to find. HK has never been known for the their over abundance of spare parts, accessories, and mags.

These factors made the market prices jumpy. I may have gotten gouged on the mags, but I remember the stuggle to find them in the pre-internet days.

BTW - in 1984 I bought one of the first Steyr AUGs to be imported to California, for a whopping... $680.

My the times have changed...

Glad to here the mag prices are better.

-Seth
 
incidently,

i went to a local gun shop a week ago and they had not 1 but 2 used p7m13's for sale. Went in yesterday and bought one. one was 1300, the other was 1600 (ow!). what's the difference? one magazine. i went and got the extra mag. I've been looking for one for years now. Now all i gotta get is my .44 (handgunwise).

i know it's a pretty penny, i know it's just a friggin gun, but they truly are worth every single cent. pride of ownership!

toast
 
Costas,
You certainly can't go wrong with any of your choices, but if it were me, I'd definitely get another P7. Its ease of use is only surpassed by the incredible accuracy they manage to wring out of a 4" barrel.:D :D
 
Originally posted by toast
Now all i gotta get is my .44 (handgunwise).
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Have you decided what kind to get?

I have to brag for a minute... :)

I just got my second Taurus Raging Bull in .44. The first is a 6-1/2" model that's fitted with a x2-7 scope. I can hit within an 8" kill zone at 250 meters with it...while standing unsupported. Needless to say I really like that revolver! :D

The second started out as an identical gun. Then I had a local gunsmith cut the back off the barrel, leaving all the fancy porting up front intact. Except for the interrupted lettering on the sides of the barrel it looks like it came from the factory that way. I now have a very handy overbuilt .44 magnum with a 3-3/4" barrel that I can conceal under a light jacket. Best of all, the weight and the porting make it feel like a .38 special with full magnum loads. Happiness! :cool:

--Bob Q
 
bob,

great idea! nice way to keep the fancy porting they put on the larger barrel lengths.

i was sorta leaning towards a S&W 6" 629 (i think that's the model) just because they're beefy and handle the .44's output. i can't believe how easy they are to shoot and their accuracy. it's just a massive hunk of steel.

i hit pretty well with my semi's but .44's are fun on the range. 2 feet of muzzle flash and "BOOM! BOOM!" besides, everyone checks to see what lane the cannon is going off in because you can usually feel it.

toast
 
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