SIGG vs. Nalgene

monsterdog said:
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Google BPA or "bisphenol A".
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Have you actually looked at the science behind the whole BPA scare?
It started when somebody in a lab put concentrated and highly aggresive chemicals in a bottle and let it sit and then was upset when it leached chemicals out of the plastic.
No frickin kiddin!! You mean if I put straight chlorine in a plastic bottle it will break it down over time:rolleyes:
The way those tests were conducted they will break down just about any material, particularly the ones we use for food and drinks. Go take your stainless bottle and fill it with straight clorox and see if it doesn't rust. Aluminum, plastic (take your pick) or stainless will all break down and leach out chemicals when filled with a highly corrosive agent.
Now I realize that high concentrations of BPA can have some effect on us, particularly on pregnant women. However... don't fill your nalgene with straight bleach and it won't be an issue. With that said when my wife gets pregnant we may play it safe and I will probably have her use something else BUT we'll also change out the MANY other sources of contaminants that we currently don't worry about.

Sorry for the rant it just really ticks me off when a superior product is replaced by an inferior one due to bad science and MSM hype.
I bought a bunch of the old ones as they were being replaced because the new ones do seem to be weaker.

On a side note if you have issues with spills on large-mouth nalgenes try out one of these splashguards they work great for me.

I do agree that the internal threading could help with getting dirt around the rim. I have had issues with that particulalry in FL. with fine sand.

I would still love to find a good, reasonable titanium flask or bottle.
 
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FortyTwoBlades said:
Guyot Designs/Nalgene has a great SS wide mouth design. Kleen Kanteen makes Sigg-like SS narrow-mouths. :)
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I like the Guyot design 38oz, still fits the GSI nestling cups. Same size as a wide mouth nalgene. The new cord they use to retain the lid does NOT need a allen key to remove. Its all friction based. I bought 4 of them for $22 ea shipped. Have 2 in my GHB, 1 in the girls GHB, and 1 that I leave in my daypack. Over fathersday weekend, my family (girl and daughter) went up mirror lake highway for a family campout. Tookt he 7 man springbar for luxury. I also took my GHB. Started all fires with a mag block and flint. Got to tryout my new Henessy Hammock hex fly (NICE!!!) Boiled water for oatmeal/ potatoes/ cranberry chicken and rice in the Guyot design both on the coleman and in the campfire. They work, they are solid, no you can not destroy one. On EDC forums a guy filled it and tossed it in the freezer. The bottom swelled out on it, and he had a pretty sweet icicle hanging off the mouth of it, but it did not leak after he unfroze it. Hammered the bottom back close to flat and still good. Here are mine when I first opened them from the box. 1 has a little more color now.

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TLR said:
Have you actually looked at the science behind the whole BPA scare?
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Yup.

Recent study on BPA bottles from Harvard.

"Methods: We conducted a non-randomized intervention of 77 Harvard College students to compare urinary BPA concentrations collected following a washout phase of one week to those taken after an intervention week during which most cold beverages were consumed from polycarbonate drinking bottles. Paired t-tests were used to assess the difference in urinary BPA concentrations before and after polycarbonate bottle use.

Results: The geometric mean urinary BPA concentration at the end of the washout phase was 1.2 µg/g creatinine, increasing to 2.0 µg/g creatinine following one week of polycarbonate bottle use. Urinary BPA concentrations increased by 69% following polycarbonate bottle use (p<.0001). The association was stronger among participants who reported &#8805;90% compliance (77% increase; p<.0001) than among those reporting <90% compliance (55% increase; p=0.03) but this difference was not statistically significant (p=0.54).

Conclusions: One week of polycarbonate bottle use increased urinary BPA concentrations by two thirds. Regular consumption of cold beverages from polycarbonate bottles is associated with a substantial increase in urinary BPA concentrations irrespective of exposure to BPA from other sources."

Might be hype, but I'll buy into it for now.
 
Admittedly that's a new study that I haven't seen before.

Just looking over it there are a lot of variables that may be up for debate in this study. Some they concluded themselves. In particular the source of the BP-3 level that raised with the BPA level even though BP-3 isn't found in polycarbonate bottles.

I admit that there may be some leaching from polycarbonate bottles. As I said in my previous post when my wife gets pregnant I'll probably have her stop using our nalgene bottles just to play it safe. And again the main sources of BPA for most people aren't coming from their nalgene bottles as there are many other everyday and hidden sources in our food systems.

My gripe with the BPA scare is that it was based on a minute amount of data that isn't understood and that it was initially based on extreme examples that were hyped by the MSM into a panic.

If you or anyone else want to quit using them I'm perfectly fine with that.
I'm just tired of the cattle mentality that seems to be so prevalent in the U.S. I'm not lumping you in that statement just the U.S. in general
 
I love my Sigg bottle! By brother gave it to me for Christmas 3 years ago and it has gone with me every day since. It has been dropped from tree stands, used to thaw snow, gone on hikes, been dropped, and abused and the bottle keeps on ticking. I also have put Mountain Dew, Kool-Aid, Propel, Gatorade, Etc in and have never had a bad after taste. The bottle is definitely worth the $20.00. You will not regret the purchase.
 
I have the Guyot SS bottle and a Nalgene Sawyer water filter. Both work great. I dropped the SS bottle out of the back of the truck, it hit flat on one side and got a small dent in the top and bottom edge, it was full at the time. I like the SS because you can cook in it and it has the wide mouth, all I have to do is stop walking to take a drink.
 
Out of curiosity how hard do you think it would be to burn through or damage the ss bottle that you have boiling water in it?
 
SIXFOOTER said:
I like the SS because you can cook in it and it has the wide mouth, all I have to do is stop walking to take a drink.
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hey sixfooter, if you get a splashguard you won't have to stop to take a drink, and it costs only 2 dollars. it is well worth it.
I bought mine at a sportmans warehouse, in the guyot website it's the same price, but the shipping is ridiculous.
I highly recommend the splashguard.
 
TLR said:
Out of curiosity how hard do you think it would be to burn through or damage the ss bottle that you have boiling water in it?
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I've boiled water in my SS Guyot almost daily for months and hasn't affected it in any way. I put it on my stovetop at home for tea, directly in fire when i am camping or sitting around a friends yard with the portable firepit and on top of my tractor's motor at work (warms up tea on the go) and no issues at all.
 
hector81 said:
hey sixfooter, if you get a splashguard you won't have to stop to take a drink, and it costs only 2 dollars. it is well worth it.
I bought mine at a sportmans warehouse, in the guyot website it's the same price, but the shipping is ridiculous.
I highly recommend the splashguard.
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yea, thought about that, but unless I run onto one at a store I'll do without, shipping sux sometimes. You really need to shop around and try to get multiple items from 1 vendor for the small stuff to work out. I live in south florida and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find some things, like technical camping/hiking gear. I am up in Philly at the moment and they have an REI here. Cha Ching....
 
The SS bottle will never burn through boiling water in it, unless you let it boil dry. I have boiled an egg in a paper cup several times in a camp fire. The boiling water protects the paper, so the SS will be perfectly fine unless your using a cutting torch
 
TLR said:
Out of curiosity how hard do you think it would be to burn through or damage the ss bottle that you have boiling water in it?
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My vote goes to: Borderline impossible.

You fill a PAPER cup with water and put it in the coals of a fire to boil water and not damage it that much. :)

[edit] oops I didn't read all the way down, Sixfooter beat me by two days. :D
 
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We've got the 16 and 32 oz Naglene's here with no complaints. No rugged use here though just day-to-day stuff with the kids.
 
I use Nalgene 32oz sport bottles. It has the wide mouth for adding drink mixes and ice and allowing for easy cleaning. The spout makes it easy to drink from, and the cap keeps the spout clean.

(I did not buy mine from this site - it's just the first site I found with with a picture.)
 
The nice thing about wide mouth nalgenes is that you can use them to store stuff that you want to keep dry and secure.

The stainless steel Nalgenes are really great. The splash guard is the answer to the spill problem.

bob
 
I've been using a Kleen Kanteen with the sport bottle cap, the type with the pop-up "nipple" on it so you don't have to unscrew/remove the actual cap itself. I hate having to constantly uncap/cap my water bottles when I want a sip of water. I also don't like the backwash from your mouth that can contaminate the liquid in the bottle.

I think I'll get one or two of those wide mouth SS Nalgene bottles. I stopped using my lexan Nalgenes and most of my other lexan or plastic water bottles.
 
TLR said:
Admittedly that's a new study that I haven't seen before.

Just looking over it there are a lot of variables that may be up for debate in this study. Some they concluded themselves. In particular the source of the BP-3 level that raised with the BPA level even though BP-3 isn't found in polycarbonate bottles.

I admit that there may be some leaching from polycarbonate bottles. As I said in my previous post when my wife gets pregnant I'll probably have her stop using our nalgene bottles just to play it safe. And again the main sources of BPA for most people aren't coming from their nalgene bottles as there are many other everyday and hidden sources in our food systems.

My gripe with the BPA scare is that it was based on a minute amount of data that isn't understood and that it was initially based on extreme examples that were hyped by the MSM into a panic.

If you or anyone else want to quit using them I'm perfectly fine with that.
I'm just tired of the cattle mentality that seems to be so prevalent in the U.S. I'm not lumping you in that statement just the U.S. in general
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dont forget Canada too! thousands of yuppies, yippies, hippies all wailed and gnashed their teeth and freaked out because they thought they had been drinking BPA ooze in their water. Even after a scientist tried to explain to these idiots that they would have to drink millions of liters of water from a BPA containing bottle to even get any sort of chemical registered in their bodies, the idiots backlashed and freaked out. :rolleyes:
 
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