Sjamboks and Pemmican

Roger Smith

Roger Smith

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All right, here's where no sleep and a curious nature get me: Sjamboks.
Don't ask me how they came up when I put in a search for Pemmican.

I've stumbled onto what seems a good self defense weapon that doesn't seem to cross many concealed carry laws. No blades, no ammo.

Then again, I haven't even read the entire code for my own State ( CO.) or counties. Denver County is different re: Gun Shows, other counties have varying restrictions that don't make sense, so I assume it means that all counties are different re: CCW laws. I may be getting ready to spend "quality" time with a man/men in a way I never intended. Just because a law is unclear or ambiguous or poorly defined, doesn't mean that I can't be charged with violating it unintentionally.

Do any of us have experience with a whip for defense? It seems to be a whip, but it might just be a flexible flogger, I don't know.

I thought carrying it inside your jacket threaded from arm to arm across the shoulders would work, but it wouldn't be very concealed then. A big cord outlined across your shoulders as you Shop at Wally World might raise an eyebrow.

Maybe inside your pants if you prove to be especially tall? ( I'm not)

What about in the car? It seems that you could carry this w/o too much trouble. At least in the smaller size.

Not sure which would be better: Hippo Leather vs. Synthetic
Could you use Ballistol on Hippo Leather? Hmm...

As with Khuks, there are probably good ones and touristy crap.
I sent an AK Bowie and 18" WWII with a Green Beret friend to a place that he couldn't "reveal" to me and he came back all smiles. Some of his buddies bought cast-iron khuks clad in chrome and bent them with the first blow.

I'd prefer to get the good stuff first. Even if it isn't a Sjambok.


But, if you have a good recipe for Pemmican, I'll take that too......
 
Roger Smith said:
Not sure which would be better: Hippo Leather vs. Synthetic
Could you use Ballistol on Hippo Leather? Hmm...
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Roger my friend you should be able to use Ballistol on Hippo Leather.
I did a quick search for Sjambok as well and all I see are S & M outfits and Cold Steel, hmmm, I wonder.:rolleyes: ;)

Looks like the old ones made outta hide or the really old ones originally made from a hippo's or rhino's penis just doesn't exist anymore.
Being of the mind I am and seemingly always have been I have often wondered from a very young age, teens, if a person couldn't make one from a bull's penis.:eek:
The way I understand the process the base of the large penis was tied in a tree and a heavy weight like a flat iron was hung from the small end to stretch it.
The account I read said the shaft was oiled daily until it cured, an oiled tanned leather it seems, I assume with a Neatsfoot Oil or similar as it would need to be something made for leather and I think that's why the Ballistol would work.:cool: :D
A new use for Ballistol; making Sjamboks out of Large Bull Penises!!!!;) :D :cool:

I'll bet you could get one for free or close to it at a slaughterhouse.;) :p
 
The way I understand the process the base of the large penis was tied in a tree and a heavy weight like a flat iron was hung from the small end to stretch it.
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Hmmm, that gives me an idea...
 
Alright. I want to see more of these. Roger going stream of consciousness.



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Yvsa said:
The way I understand the process the base of the large penis was tied in a tree and a heavy weight like a flat iron was hung from the small end to stretch it.
The account I read said the shaft was oiled daily until it cured
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They removed it from the hippo first... right? :eek: ;)

That might be a useful first step, unless the villagers have some sort of method for lifting and securing very pissed off hippos into trees. :confused: :p
 
Roger Smith said:
Do any of us have experience with a whip for defense? It seems to be a whip, but it might just be a flexible flogger, I don't know.

I thought carrying it inside your jacket threaded from arm to arm across the shoulders would work, but it wouldn't be very concealed then. A big cord outlined across your shoulders as you Shop at Wally World might raise an eyebrow.

Maybe inside your pants if you prove to be especially tall? ( I'm not)

What about in the car? It seems that you could carry this w/o too much trouble. At least in the smaller size.

Not sure which would be better: Hippo Leather vs. Synthetic
Could you use Ballistol on Hippo Leather? Hmm...

As with Khuks, there are probably good ones and touristy crap.
I sent an AK Bowie and 18" WWII with a Green Beret friend to a place that he couldn't "reveal" to me and he came back all smiles. Some of his buddies bought cast-iron khuks clad in chrome and bent them with the first blow.

I'd prefer to get the good stuff first. Even if it isn't a Sjambok.


But, if you have a good recipe for Pemmican, I'll take that too......
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kamkazmoto said:
Is a Sjambok rigid enough to be used as a light duty walking stick?
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The sjambok is more rigid than a whip, but less rigid than a walking stick. It would not make a good walking stick, nor is it very adaptable for concealed carry. I suppose you could pretend it was a walking stick as you carried it, you just can't put any weight on it.

It will carry in the car fine. Behind the seat or held by the visor to the inside of the roof.

I've had an inexpensive one from Cold Steel for a number of years. It is not beautiful, but you wouldn't want to get hit with one. I have no experience with leather ones.
 
If you use as a carry in the car, what are you going to do with it? Point to it? To use it means you have to get out of the car, so you might as well carry something better if your going to do that.
It may be good in the brush but as a self defense weapon its not that great.
If your doing crowd control ( in a place that won't get you sued for hitting people) it can be very useful.

I have a freind that bought one I asked why what are you going to do with it he said nothing its just to have it...that might be a good enough reason to get one

<<Hmmm, that gives me an idea>.

I don't think we want to know... :eek:
 
I've seen some "bull sticks"
of walking cane size (3-4ft)
in some animal/pet/farm supply stores.

Pretty sturdy strip of rawhide.



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The Pito de Boi (literally "ox pennis") is a traditional in the rural areas of my region.
Drill sergeants also seem to appreciate it - while I tend tou doubt if they ever get used, at least they will scare the hell out of the new recruits :eek:.
 
Lets not forget about the charming maritime relative of the "original" Sjambok, the Oosik!
 
Bri in Chi said:
I wonder if those hippos checked the organ donor box of their driver's licenses? :confused:
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The same book I read about the Sjambok also addressed the making of Hippo Hams. Seems that they are enough like a hog to make really tasty hams; I'd sure like to try a piece of well cured and smoked hippo ham some day.:D

An ndn just has to admire the African Indig's as they didn't waste any of the hippo like we didn't waste any part of the animals we killed. Don't have a clue what was done with the penises though, but I'm betting that all parts were used is an old wive's tale unless they were fed to the camp dogs, a good probability.;) :D
 
These things sound like they might be useful in snake country - you have a probe and a snakekiller, all rolled up in one.

It does sound like more of a weapon than a tool, though. Aren't these used by police in some nations?

Yvsa said:
Looks like the old ones made outta hide or the really old ones originally made from a hippo's or rhino's penis just doesn't exist anymore.
Being of the mind I am and seemingly always have been I have often wondered from a very young age, teens, if a person couldn't make one from a bull's penis.
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Undoubtedly this would be an effective weapon. Something about having a bull's wang swung at me makes retreating sound like a pretty good option.
 
Thanks for input.

As usual, I don't know much, but combined we all know a heckuva lot.

I read a review of a CS hide version as well as a synthetic.

The synthetic had been sent bent in half, so I can see what you mean Howard; not good for walking sticks.

I guess that as a car weapon, I'd need lots of room. Not many times I'd get a lot of room to use it.

I got a PM from someone suggesting that I not get one due to the uses that Sjamboks had been known for in South Africa.

I can sympathize with a particular weapon having very negative vibes for individuals. However, That part of the world is 1000s miles away.

Colorado is different from SA. I'm not a SA that has beaten crowds mercilessly.

What I did do is PM the owner of Mendowood Canes. We're talking about a good Snakewood head, provided I can get a suitable piece. Snakewood is the hardest wood I've ever seen. No pores. Shines up smooth as glass w/o a finish. Chipping and the PROHIBITIVE (cost 350.00 for 4x4x6)is making it look like a good maple head is more likely. Walosi mentioned shining up some Pau Ferro Grips. Snakewood is so incredibly hard I'd need lots of years as an apprentice Woodchuck to get ready.

A cane struck me ( pun intended) as a good non-lethal, hiding in plain view sort of defense. I remember that Rusty had one.


What about Pemmican? Without bear suet. In the past I've had some Bear suet that tasted of berries, but it is hard to come by.
Pemmican strikes me as a good trail food. No refrigeration needed. High calories. Good winter food too.

World's away from concealment, my BIL asked me to find info on a .600NE pistol from Pfeiffer-Waffen. PW is a gunshop in Germany. Costs $17,000.00. I imagine that each round would cost so much, it would be insane.

Let's not forget that .600NE creates something like 11,000 ft/lbs. The pic looked like a Yosemite Sam style gun. There I go mentioning Rusty again. I must have Rusty on the brain tonight.
I can't imagine what you'd need that for. I think it weighs in the range of 20 lbs. empty.

Pass the Pemmican.
 
Roger Smith said:
A cane struck me ( pun intended) as a good non-lethal, hiding in plain view sort of defense. I remember that Rusty had one.
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Roger you might look at the Canemasters canes and their videos. I have a quad grip, sharks teeth, snakes head Hickory Heart cane with little red eyes that is quite a nice cane.;) :D
A little spendy but well worth it IMO.
I also bought the vids and would let them go cheap if I can find them in our little house that eats things.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
 
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