Sleeping Bag Help

Hey Folks,

I'm the gear editor for a number of North American magazines and have tested bags from most of the companies listed.

My experience is that Western Mountaineering and Feathered Friends in Seattle make some of the down sleeping bags available. Best down quality, excellent construction, broad range of temperatures and various sizes. And they are made in the US. Can't go wrong. My wife and i have Western bags that are over ten years old and still going strong. Pricey but worth it.

Big Agnes makes down and synthetic bags that offer excellent value. Good blend of price and performance and available in roomier sizes.

Wiggys makes a solid synthetic bag with some interesting construction details but they are not as light or compressible as down bags.

Couple of final notes. High quality down (look at the fill power) offers the best insulation for the weight, is the most compressible and if properly cared for, will last for a very long time. Unfortunately it's performance suffers when it becomes wet and it requires a long time to dry. Careful packing and choosing the right campsite can minimize these issues.

Synthetic fills are less expensive, dry faster and are retain some of their insulating qualities when damp. Unfortunately they are heavier than down, less compressible than down and will loose their loft (insulating properties) with use more quickly than down. Remember, these comparisons are only valid for down and synthetic bags that provide similar insulation. Bags with less insulation will be smaller and lighter.

Unfortunately there are no universally accepted temperature rating guides for sleeping bags in North America. Take temp ratings with a grain of salt.

Finally, regardless of the insulation, sleeping bags should be stored uncompressed. This preserves their loft and insulation as the fibres don't get crushed.

Hope this helps.
 
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It's been a few years since I bought a sleeping bag, but when I was shopping around i did a lot of research. At the time Marmot had the most chest room of any manufacturer, in the end it was between Marmot and Feathered Friends. I went with the Marmot. That was a few years ago when they were a small, virtually unheard of company and all their gear was made in USA, not sure if that is still the case.

It's been a fantastic bag, very high quality materials and construction, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. I have the "Snow Goose" model (they don't make this model anymore) which at the time was one of their warmest down bags. I've slept in it outside at -30c.

http://marmot.com/catalog/sleeping-bags/117

http://featheredfriends.com/Picasso/Bags/SleepingBags.html
 
6 lbs. I can still carry it internally and fit all my kit on a winter trip, but a sled throws a whole new dimension on volume carried. No matter what you do, at that temperature, your bag is going to be big. My Telemark buddy has a 400 dollar -40 degree TNF bag and it's the same weight and just a touch larger in volume. For the money, I think I got off well.
 
Wow, those expanda panels aren't cheap at around $50. I only paid $45 for the bag. :eek: So much for that idea.

Just thinking out loud here; if you buy an expanda panel and it fixes your problem, won't you still be ahead money wise rather than starting from scratch ??
 
Good cold weather bags are not cheap. I have been using a -10 equinox bag for years.

A fishing store I do pest control for sold me their 2011 store demo Browning -20 sleeping bag for 75$
What a good score!! It was money I should not have spent a week before xmas but just could not help it knowing how hard I would kick myself next spring and fall.

My mechanic friend is 5"9 and 265lbs and he bought 2 bags that can be zipped together to solve the OP's issue, he only car camps however.
 
Alot of the sleeping bag questions are primarily sorted by the type of activity involved.

For "slam-door" camping, who cares? Bring your bed, electric blanket, whatever. If you're dragging your tired rear-end up a 5,000' technical ice/snow route you better be carrying the lightest gear you can get away with if you want enough energy to descend safely.
 
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Kelty Mistral Long (6ft 6 in) -20 next to a 32oz nalgene (sorry bout the BSU colors, yeah it's kinda corny...) and a 5500 cu Eberle Operator.

Compression bag is a US military issue that I paid 4 bucks for. The Mistral came with a total POS stuff sack that's already started ripping at the seams, and the cordlock that came with it was so flimsy and loose I already lost it.

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wow, that's incredibly bulky. thanks for the pics.

@spoolup: kifaru just released their -20 bags, i know you have one on the way if you don't have one already :) let's see the pics next to a nalgene bottle too please.
 
Actually JV3, most my camping is done at 0 to 50f (sleeping temps), no reason for the -20. If it gets that cold I will just tuck the slick into the MOB and be a fat camper at -35f which FYI is temp rating of the bottom photo Kifaru setup, but hope to hell to never be in that temp sleeping. I work occasionally at -65F (-54C) for environmental screening tests, 40 minutes and I need a break. Not many last at that temp, so I consider myself cold blooded.

Besides I just got a new place and am a little broke right now, but I do want a +20 wide long slick in MC so I have 2 sets of Kifaru sleeping bags for a friend to join me out and about thru anything.
 
Actually JV3, most my camping is done at 0 to 50f (sleeping temps), no reason for the -20. If it gets that cold I will just tuck the slick into the MOB and be a fat camper at -35f which FYI is temp rating of the bottom photo Kifaru setup, but hope to hell to never be in that temp sleeping. I work occasionally at -65F (-54C) for environmental screening tests, 40 minutes and I need a break. Not many last at that temp, so I consider myself cold blooded.

Besides I just got a new place and am a little broke right now, but I do want a +20 wide long slick in MC so I have 2 sets of Kifaru sleeping bags for a friend to join me out and about thru anything.

i see. thanks. i don't want to hijack this thread, got a question for you here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/917397-spoolup-how-do-you-like-your-o-p-s-e-c-poncho?p=10403453#post10403453
 
Thanks for all the info, much appreciated.

Just thinking out loud here; if you buy an expanda panel and it fixes your problem, won't you still be ahead money wise rather than starting from scratch ??

Perhaps. I found the Expanda panel for $59 and some change shipped from England. Cheapest I could find it. I may go that route, haven't ruled it out yet.
 
I may have missed it but did you specify what kind of use that you have for the bag? Are you going to hike, camp, minimalist? I was looking earlier this evening on Amazon and they had some Teton Sports bags that looked pretty reasonable. I know that they're synthetic so I don't know if it would rule it out for you or not. They have a Teton Sports XXL that is 69 inches by 90 inches. I believe they mentioned that it weighed about 7.5 pounds on the site. It's available in OD and might be worth a look. I don't know a great lot about Teton Sports but I have one of their packs and they seem highly rated on Amazon and their sleeping bags look to be well rated as well. Hopefully you'll find something that will work for you. I just thought I'd throw another suggestion out there. Here's a link for it. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Teton-Sports-...TB8W/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1326948299&sr=8-3

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@spoolup: how much climashield insulation are in the kifaru 0* and 20* deg slick bags? they're not listed on the website. if you don't know then is the doobie (4 oz. / square yard of climashield) close to the 20* deg slick bag in actual use? i don't like sleeping bags (i toss and turn too much) so if the woobie & doobie together is close enough to their 20* or even 0* deg slick bags then i can skip buying their bag altogether.
 
Thanks for all the info, much appreciated.



Perhaps. I found the Expanda panel for $59 and some change shipped from England. Cheapest I could find it. I may go that route, haven't ruled it out yet.

So much for that idea. It won't fit my Sleeper Lite. Here's the email I received,"I am afraid that the expanda panels are only suitable for use with the following Snugpak sleeping bags Softie range with the bird names, the Premier and Tactical range and the Special Forces range".
 
So much for that idea. It won't fit my Sleeper Lite. Here's the email I received,"I am afraid that the expanda panels are only suitable for use with the following Snugpak sleeping bags Softie range with the bird names, the Premier and Tactical range and the Special Forces range".

Well that stinks. Sorry for ya bud.

Back to saving your pennies, but it's well worth it when you buy quality - you only cry once and smile from there ever after.
 
Well that stinks. Sorry for ya bud.

Back to saving your pennies, but it's well worth it when you buy quality - you only cry once and smile from there ever after.

Yeah, that does bite. I think I'm going to go to town (Springfield) and see what Scheels, Sports Authority, Gander Mountain, etc, carries.
 
Gander should be able to fix you up. I re-bought my Cats Meow long there last fall at a great discount (under $100). They keep a pretty good selection and may be clearing them for spring as new models are coming in. Mine was an older model.
 
I had the same problem with the military sleep system, I'm about the same size as the TS, I returned the whole package, bought the bivy separately and use wool blankets sewn together as a sleeping bag. Is it heavy? Of course it is, it's wool, but I don't have to worry about anything melting on me, I can have an "accident" and take a header in a stream and be fine with the wool being wet. With how cheap wool blankets are online and any surplus store you can do just about anything, it's added weight, but it's worth it imo. I have three German wool blankets, not sure on the size, but they're big enough to cover a king sized bed, sewed two of them together as the bag, stuff it in the bivy and the third can come out when it's really cold, Colorado 10k ft and windy cold.

I know what I'm talking about won't pack small or lightweight, but it could be an option for someone else or the TS if he doesn't mind carrying an extra 10lbs around, if anything it can stay in the car and if you really need it, there it is in a pinch. Goodluck with your search.
 
Gander should be able to fix you up. I re-bought my Cats Meow long there last fall at a great discount (under $100). They keep a pretty good selection and may be clearing them for spring as new models are coming in. Mine was an older model.

I was looking into that bag, but I think it's too small for me. I'm probably going to need a bag in the vicinity of a 70" circumference around the chest area. Problem is, I used to lift weights, and I'm not only broad shouldered, but because of my lats/back being wide, it makes my arms stick out a bit. So, with my arms down to my side, my elbows stick out further than my shoulders do, if that makes sense. Here's a photo of me that will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

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In an average year, I spend approximately 45 nights sleeping in the woods. My REI polar pod is my go to winter bag. It just fits me well and it packs up nice and small. I use a long/left/+10 model. You and I appear to be about the same size, give or take 15 lbs. If you get a chance, go by one of their stores and try one out. It's worth money. Good luck.
 
In an average year, I spend approximately 45 nights sleeping in the woods. My REI polar pod is my go to winter bag. It just fits me well and it packs up nice and small. I use a long/left/+10 model. You and I appear to be about the same size, give or take 15 lbs. If you get a chance, go by one of their stores and try one out. It's worth money. Good luck.

Thanks for the heads up. I looked that bag up, and the long has a shoulder girth of 62". My Snugpak is 60", and it's tight as all get out.
 
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