Slipjoint Ramblings - Critical

chickentrax said:
No, no popcorn here...Long posts make me lethargic...

I am surprised; it's usually me criticizing Buck's lack of quality control...(and you waving the pom-poms)... :)
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well trax on some things i will say it is opinion..
and on issues of what shows on a production knife
i will still wave the pompoms !!

on what to me is an expensive knife i can not argue wit the picts
and i have sent a custom 110 knives back once also..

i dont feel that it is such a big deal to send one back
if it has an issue such as a crack or scratches or grind like he has..
Many custom knives will be display or gift knives and that maters...
however IF a custom knife is to be used ..
then WTFreek ? it is a user dang it!

now if it is a case of oh
i dont like the stag
the sides dont match
yata yata ad nasum :barf:...these are personal values!:grumpy:
and to come here and say a knife is a POS over thoes reasons..
then i will be all over them like you know i can do:mad:

picky on production knives... ?
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IF you can,
you should buy one you can look at in hand if things like matching wood centered blades ect mater a lot
other wise if you can not see it ahead you should be ok with cosmetic issues
if there is a defect that is only a cosmetic thing in a mail order knife .. why come here and bad mouth it?
many ( i guess mostly me ) dont understand or agree with a bunch of folks fussing over wood grain on a production knife
 
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"dont buy one if you cant look at it in hand!!!
other wise shame on you and
dont come here bitchen..
i will be all over you then also..
edit: by you i dont mean you trax jest any one that read this.."

Shucks Dave, not everyone has the luxury of having a nice well stocked knife store near them. Those of us in that situation have no choice but to buy many if not most of our knives from pictures only. How the heck are you going to see what you are getting from a stock photo?

I don't care if the knife is an everyday user and costs $20, when it comes from the factory,it should be free of defects and if it's a bad enough one, Buck should pay shipping both ways in my opinion.

And this is coming from someone who does alot of cheerleading for Buck.
 
edit : many here have told of Buck sending back extra to say sorry for the mix up and i know of no other company that does that! it is jest the way the folks at buck are...


Plumberdv said:
"dont buy one if you cant look at it in hand!!!.."
Shucks Dave, not everyone has the luxury of having a nice well stocked knife store near them. Those of us in that situation have no choice but to buy many if not most of our knives from pictures only. How the heck are you going to see what you are getting from a stock photo?

I don't care if the knife is an everyday user and costs $20, when it comes from the factory,it should be free of defects and if it's a bad enough one, Buck should pay shipping both ways in my opinion.

And this is coming from someone who does alot of cheerleading for Buck.
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only wally and box mart here no real knife place
my friend, yes i can understand not liking minor cosmetic defects on a new knife.. and have gotten peeved also on that my self but dont come here and bitch.. tant see you do so either..
i was mostly referring to the personal issues as matching grain ugly grain in the plywood handles dirt in the pivet un-shiny light scratched bolsters that i have heard some come here and say it is a pos on pure cosmetic issues .. not real defects..
the shipping is not worth it on cosmetic issues

Yes if it has a real defect send it back and if it is a real safety issue perhaps it would be nice they pay both ways shipping.. if they can afford it ..
but again every one has their own thoughts..them shipping back is expense they will want to cut out..

i jest dont like the screaming "it's a POS" on a
interpretation issue (exp; wood grain) on production knives and
have the right to scream back!;):D
 
The main thing here, is that things get to the point where "send it back to Buck, they will take care of you", is used less and less instead of more and more...........
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
The main thing here, is that things get to the point where "send it back to Buck, they will take care of you", is used less and less instead of more and more...........
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BCCL i hope you and the other folks understand that i agree with you guys on what you and others said!
in no way am i wanting to shout down any reasonable complaint!

300 had bad grinds and gaps .. and jiging should not hit bolsters
one real fat and one real skiny is a real issue cosmetic but real..
one set of fat and one set of skiny is part of natural materials run..
in his case skiny enough that the jigging is in to metal ..
he has real quality issues with his knives Buck needed to know


Buck has to know when things are not as "knowledgeable" knife buyers expect!

i dont fully say send it back jest to get it fixed
it is so they know by seeing it when things are not right!!

i have gotten noisy when a thread becomes a free for all with every one wanting to complain about things that are fuzzy wrong like the woodgrain and not gnarly enough stag ..

stag not matching .. well how close or not close enough is personal call
it is not a fault or defect ..
jest run of what is available to the person putting them togeathger...

should they have a prime grade and price were extra time is taken to find or wait tell a perfect set is found?

Buck LE's and Customs are are below prices of many other production knives!
time and money ..

if you cant please customers with customs at a reasonable price why try?
you jest get noisy complaints and then less sales..

do they lessen to us - OH YES they do!
recall the recent closing and reopening of the custom shop?

i only want to urge any one with real QC complaints that sending it in is not jest for your one knife it is for all of us that buy and helps lower the use of the
"jest send it in " circle ...:o

and a note with one major request on the order may help -
dont say "fat" stag / say thick, say real bumpy.. or close color
but thick and bumpy and matching color ... on pieces of antler?
if some one wants one 'perfect' with many diff requirements or standards
could be they should go to a knife smith..

now i can not think of any thing else to explain my thoughts
i dont want to up set any one really i dont..:o
life is to short to be upset...
life is good !take big bites.. jest dont choke!:D
 
334dave said:
BCCL i hope you and the other folks understand that i agree with you guys on what you and others said!
in no way am i wanting to shout down any reasonable complaint!
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I understand where you're coming from with that statement and I totally agree that many complaints are too trivial to make a big fuss over

Where I took issue with you was when you made this statement:

"picky on production knives... ?

dont buy one if you cant look at it in hand!!!
other wise shame on you and
dont come here bitchen..
i will be all over you then also..
edit: by you i dont mean you trax jest any one that read this..

I think you didn't really mean it to come out the way it reads:), because there are darned few peope who can actually go somewhere and handle the entire line of Bucks. Hell, the local Walmart only carries about three models and the local hardware store has none except the 110. If I only bought knives that I could handle and hand pick before I bought them, I'd probably have only about 10 Bucks nstead of nearly 300.:grumpy:
 
Plumberdv said:
I understand where you're coming from with that statement and I totally agree that many complaints are too trivial to make a big fuss over

Where I took issue with you was when you made this statement:

dont buy one if you cant look at it in hand!!!
other wise shame on you and
dont come here bitchen..
i will be all over you then also..
edit: by you i dont mean you trax jest any one that read this..

I think you didn't really mean it to come out the way it reads:),
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no i did not quite mean it like it come out..and can see it is harsh now..
ah nothing like friend feed back to make you think of a way to say better what you ment and i need friends that will do that!!
so the edit is
IF you can,
you should buy one you can look at in hand if things like matching wood centered blades ect mater a lot
other wise if you can not see it ahead you should be ok with cosmetic issues
if there is a defect that is only a cosmetic thing in a mail order knife .. why come here and bad mouth it?
many ( i guess mostly me ) dont understand or agree with a bunch of folks fussing over wood grain on a production knife

hope this is better ...? yes?:confused:
 
"ah nothing like friend feed back to make you think of a way to say better what you ment and i need friends that will do that!!"

And I do consider us to be friends Dave! :D We both have common interests and also a common problem.
 
Tin Sue said:
334dave said:
Dave, I agree with most everything you say here, but dang it, can't they see it's not right at the time of production and call it a second??
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well they have had lay offs due to business down turn..
folks get moved to different jobs ...
some have to learn the job FAST
in the years i have been here there have been short times when things
from buck needed attention these seemed to be when things were changed around and new folks new jobs thing ... some gets by..
like i said poop happens they fixit..:thumbup:

i make mistakes and i learn from if pointed out
as dave did ... he showed me what made me seem rash..
and i learned ( i hope!) to think better sooner..;)
Buck will also .. we all do ..

i try to say sorry and do better my self ..:o
but some days i cant find a jar to get drink from any place!
last jar i had i sent to Leroy.. he said it was Smooth and tasty! :D
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334dave said:
Tin Sue said:
i try to say sorry and do better my self ..:o
but some days i cant find a jar to get drink from any place!
last jar i had i sent to Leroy.. he said it was Smooth and tasty! :D
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Me too!! :thumbup: By the way, since you are not supposed to mail "anything liquid, perishable, or hazardous" through the mail, how did you get that "jar" to Leroy?? ;)
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I agree with 300Buck's premise in the OP- which I feel has been largely overlooked here. Which is to say- wouldn't it be nice if Buck made a knife made to the same level of quality materials, fit and finish as GEC, Schatt & Morgan, or Canal Street? I think it would be pretty great if Buck could make a knife as nice as this:
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My awful scans don't do that knife justice, it really is exquisite- a truly impressive example of the cutlers' art- at $90 shipped. Only 50 were made, don't bother looking for one. :D

But Buck isn't really set up for that. Buck is a relatively large company, with a lot of history behind it, which has to balance a lot of factors that boutique companies like GEC or Canal Street don't. My guess is that Buck probably makes more knives in a week than GEC or Canal Street make in an entire year, combined. I think Buck is trying. They have put out some knives recently, like the Vantage series, that give me a lot of hope. They have to survive the current economy, and keep as many people happy in the process as possible. From the few examples I've seen from the Custom Shop, they're doing a fairly good job. Could they improve? Of course! Couldn't anyone? Certainly there are a lot of folks who would appreciate it if Buck upped their game and produced ultra-high quality knives with premium materials. I noticed at the last big Blade show that the Buck Collector booths absolutely dominated the show in terms of the impressiveness of what was on display. There are Buck Collectors out there- a lot of them, I think. But do they have have enough purchasing power and will in the current economic climate to support a dramatic increase in the capital expense required to ramp up high-end manufacturing? Who knows?
 
moonwilson said:
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... I noticed at the last big Blade show that the Buck Collector booths absolutely dominated the show in terms of the impressiveness of what was on display. There are Buck Collectors out there- a lot of them, I think. But do they have have enough purchasing power and will in the current economic climate to support a dramatic increase in the capital expense required to ramp up high-end manufacturing? Who knows?
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many of those that displayed had to leave part at home as there were
NOT enough tables!!
had we had another two rows we would have filled them
most had but a fraction of what they could have used!
i could have used 3 tables got one and brother shared half of his with me..who knows ?
we sure hope so .. but i dont know what their Busness Plan is
i do know it takes min order of 250 to be able to put a order in
 
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