Slippies: Queen vs Case

Yosemite Sam said:
Keep in mind D2 doesn't take a patina, it tends to pit when exposed to acids.
-- Sam
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I have to disagree with you there. I've got four Queen knives in D2 with Patina. It takes longer, but it does happen. Three of them came by it naturally from cutting up fruits, vegetables and meats. The fourth has a vinegar induced patina. I wasn't happy with the way the patina was developing on that one. I'll try and get some pictures up tomorrow if I can get some good ones. My photography skills are lacking and the wife is going to be too busy to help.

As to pitting, they do pit easier than CV. CV, in my experience, devolps rust on the surface well before pitting. So, unless you leave it stuck away somewhere for a good while, you can remove the rust before pitting occurs. D2, in my experience, can sometimes pit without warning. For instance, cutting up meat, not cleaning it well enough (thought I did), then finding some light pitting the next morning. That said, I haven't had any bad pitting on any of my D2 knives. Even though it pits easier, it doesn't seem to pit as badly.

Leo
 
I think Queen has better fit and finish too. I have several of both brands, but the Queens seem more like the ol' time knives. On the Queens the bolsters are rounded more as well as the handles. While the Case knives look more boxy. When I compare the newer Case knives to the older ones the difference is obvious. The older ones are more like the Queens. But I like both companies, my daddy and grandpa only carried Case. I carry either a Case redbone single blade CV trapper or a Queen made Moore Maker stockman. I don't think you'll go wrong with either!
 
Case over Queen simply because Queen is affiliated with Ontario, and I'd rather not buy Ontario stuff if I can help it.
 
jim preston said:
Case over Queen simply because Queen is affiliated with Ontario, and I'd rather not buy Ontario stuff if I can help it.
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Jim, we're not going there in this forum. Period. The RAT team, both Jeff and Mike have been close personal friends of mine for ten years but this is not the venue for any politicking for or against Ontario. Let's move along.
 
Sorry Blues, I posted only because I thought it went with my previous posting and it illustrated the FnF of the many Queen's in it. No problem though - picture has been removed. :thumbup:
 
I have quite a few Case knives. Manufacture dates vary from a long time ago to just a few months ago. I have one Queen D2.

They are all good knives. The Queen required some serious work to get the edge where it is acceptable, even, and sharp. I could have reground it more quickly than just reprofiling the edge. The Case knives usually don't come with an edge I can live with, either, but their edges are usually evenly ground and actually sharp out of the box.

Fit and finish -- the Queen is a Carved Stag Bone example, and f&f is very, very nice. I don't have a Case with quite as fancy a handle, though two of them are jigged bone, but the fit and finish of a Case can be just as nice as the Queen. The steels on the Case are easier to maintain in a sharp, ready to use condition. Ease of sharpening is, contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, actually important. I used to know an old man who hated Buck because he couldn't sharpen them. His Schrade was sharp as a razor, so it wasn't that he didn't know how to sharpen. It was that the Buck was so hard, he couldn't convince them to take an edge.
 
Warriorsociologist said:
Sorry Blues, I posted only because I thought it went with my previous posting and it illustrated the FnF of the many Queen's in it. No problem though - picture has been removed. :thumbup:
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Nothin' to be sorry about. Just want to try to keep from getting sidetracked and losing focus regarding the question on the floor. I appreciate it (despite it being a nice image). :thumbup:
 
Hey Guys,

Great responses! I read each post at least three times. This was only of the most informative threads for me.
The consensus seems to be Queen's overly thick edge. Sharpening the edge seems to be a ritual for me when I get a new knife so I don't mind it. But a thick primary grind is a bit excessive. From what I can tell, it's a tie on the f&f of these two companies. There are some distinctions in the way Case and Queen finishes knives. Case seems to have a refined style of collectors. While Queen seems to be going for the users. However, Queen may have some quality control issues.
I guess it comes down to the specific pattern, handle material and of course
the totally understanding vendor.
Thanks for the info guys!

God Bless
 
kidwholaughs said:
Hey Guys,
From what I can tell, it's a tie on the f&f of these two companies. There are some distinctions in the way Case and Queen finishes knives. Case seems to have a refined style of collectors. While Queen seems to be going for the users. However, Queen may have some quality control issues.

But there is 1 thing that has bothered me for the past few years... Why did Case, if their F&F is so good-refined, have Queen make the Case Classic line? Aren't the Classic's the top of the line for Case knives? To me that would be the same as Queen having Case build the Schatt & Morgan line. Why would any company hand out those "bragging rights" to the competition ?? Enless you couldn't build them yourself.
Maybe there's a good reason, if so I'd like to hear it.

Dave
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knowtracks said:
kidwholaughs said:
Hey Guys,
From what I can tell, it's a tie on the f&f of these two companies. There are some distinctions in the way Case and Queen finishes knives. Case seems to have a refined style of collectors. While Queen seems to be going for the users. However, Queen may have some quality control issues.

But there is 1 thing that has bothered me for the past few years... Why did Case, if their F&F is so good-refined, have Queen make the Case Classic line? Aren't the Classic's the top of the line for Case knives? To me that would be the same as Queen having Case build the Schatt & Morgan line. Why would any company hand out those "bragging rights" to the competition ?? Enless you couldn't build them yourself.
Maybe there's a good reason, if so I'd like to hear it.

Dave
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Case didn't have Queen make them Jim Parker had Queen make them. Larry


Read this when you have time. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570955
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This is quite funny.
I am quite the opposite side of the equation.

My first post on this site was to ask which meduim stockman in delrin is better, MooreMaker, Case or Queen.
I ended up buying all three!
The F&F of the 3 1/4 Queen stockman in jigged delrin was much better than the MooreMaker and the Case.
The F&F of the MooreMaker was better than the Case.

So I have a Case Stockman in CV yellow and a small stockman in brown delrin in SS.
I have asked here if the stockman in CV in yellow would be the same quality as other Case knives but with different scales.
And everyone told me yes.

I then started collecting Queen!
Putting aside the issue of knowing that most proberly I will need to rebevel the blade.

I have 'quite a few' Queen knives.
I find the quality and F&F of Queen to be consistantly good.
The blades are swedged with clean sharp grinds.
I do not have any blade rub on any of the knives, including the medium stockmans which are small and harder to crink the blades.
The spring ends are square, and mostly the blade back meets the spring squarely.
Yes there are sometime gaps between the springs and the brass spacer.
But the back is flat and square.
On one knife there is a gap paper thin between the scale and the bolster.
Like all production knives it is the luck of the draw.
So I have one Coppperhead that is a very easy opener, and an other that is stiff (not a nail breaker).
And the rebeveled D2 blades holds a good sharp edge for a long time.


Looking for a 3 1/2 Jack?
The Queen Dogleg Jack has a large clip and a small pen, and has a lot of blade in the knife. I have on in Winterbottom brown delrin, which I like alot.
There is a Serpentine Jack at 3 1/4" which is the same size as the 3 1/4" stockman.
The clip blade is a little thicker on the Jack than the stockman.
And at 3 1/2" there is the Whittler, which has a very thick main clip, and a pen and a coping blade



If you can get in carved stagbone (white) or Cocobolo....
 
neeman said:
Looking for a 3 1/2 Jack?
The Queen Dogleg Jack has a large clip and a small pen, and has a lot of blade in the knife. I have on in Winterbottom brown delrin, which I like alot.
There is a Serpentine Jack at 3 1/4" which is the same size as the 3 1/4" stockman.
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Neeman,

I was thinking between the 3 1/4 Serpetine or 3 1/2 Dogleg in Cocobolo or Amber Stag Bone. Looking for something for the trousers.

God Bless.
 
I have both companies knives and the f&F is very good for factory knives. Case knives in the late seventies were terrible quality but have improved greatly under Zippo. I have some Queen with carved bone handles that look like Stag and are very nice.. But Queen have the worst edges on their knives. Queen should be ashamed to make such a quality product and finish with such a pathetic edge. I have reprofiled the edges on some of the Queen knives and they got very sharp but this takes time as I don't have any power equipement. For this reason I will not buy Queen knives. For this kind of money they should be properly sharpened. And reading some of the posts about Queen they don't seem to be to concerned about it. My new Case Swayback Jack has outstanding F&F and the knife had a very nice sharp edge. I have a Case Soddie and a Queen that I bought about a year ago. All the Case needed was a little stropping but the Queen had to be completely reprofiled and sharpened. The queen turned out very sharp but I think a new knife should have a good edge. I know a lot people like to sharpen knives but a new knife should be sharp. BTW, I think Case quality today is excellent.

RKH
 
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