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I'm with PrimitiveMan on what makes an vermin and I too like KILLIN them.

Nope I don't harvest, and I KILL to secure game or eliminate vermin.

"when the last deer disappears into the morning mist,...when the last buffalo falls on the plains, I will hunt mice for I am an hunter and I must have my freedom" Chief Joseph, Nez Perce Tribe...
 
Never met Sarah Palin, but her and her husband can come hunting with us "Folk" in South Jersey anytime. They won't "Harvest" a damn thing, but they will kill plenty of Deer, Turkey, Ducks, Geese and Rabbits.

I might not be from Montana, but I have killed game in North Carolina, Vermont, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia and yes, New Jersey. I didn't realize all these years that Montana was the only state with game animals. Who'd a thought?

In my opinion "Harvesting" has become the buzz word over the last decade to make the sheeple comfortable with those that hunt. It is not a big deal in and of itself, just one more step down the slippery slope. You turn on the outdoor channel and there is a guy in a pair of carharts saying "let's go see if we kin harvest us an elk" It sounds ridiculous to those of us that have hunted our whole lives.

The word "Euthanize" is in the dictionary also, I don't see anybody using that when referring to hunting.....YET.

BTW, when you talk about animals that are "Nurtured" "Supported" and "Raised" you could be describing Cows, goats and pigs, do you "Harvest" them too, or does the Montana Dictionary have some other Estrogen fueled word for it? Because in little game scarce South Jersey we "Slaughter" them when the time comes.
 
When I was in the Army 25 years ago, it was in vogue to say "pacify the enemy" or "service the target"... What service we could provide! :D ;)
 
I am of low moral fiber.

I like blasting the hell out of vermin. I laugh like hell when I crack a squirrel in the dome.

Anybody here who says they never "high fived" or gave a hoot and a hollar when they shot something is a damn hypocrite.

Do I take enjoyment in an animal suffering? NO! absolutely not!

But some kills on vermin just make you laugh.

You guys eat the flys you swat too? I didn't think so.

They are Gods creatures also, no?


You must have grown up in NC too :thumbup::D

We used to help a pig farmer out by going over to his place on Saturdays, armed with 22 rifles, and do a little rat killin', with 22 LR Hollow Points. No pellet rifle or rat shot would have killed those suckers. I enjoyed the heck out of shooting wharf rats that were as big as squirrels, but the best part was they didn't die in vain or suffer - the HOGS ate em :D
 
I didn't grow up in NC, but Mom did. Right in the middle of the Smokies. I lived there for a few years.

I never should have left the South. Thinking of moving back.
 
I didn't grow up in NC, but Mom did. Right in the middle of the Smokies. I lived there for a few years.

I never should have left the South. Thinking of moving back.

I grew up in the NC mountains - I'm ready to move back also

Heck - we may get a chance for that beer afterall:thumbup:
 
PrimitiveMan, you seem overly combative, bud. Relax. You're getting bent out of shape over semantics.

As for the topic at hand. I fully support the right to hunt, harvest, kill, exterminate whatever they feel according to the laws and their ethics. My ethical code is pretty strict regarding killing. I'm one of those simple-minded softhearted fellows. I could kill an animal if it were a danger to my family or my pets, if I required it to feed my family in a survival situation, or if the animal were injured and needed to be euthanized.

I am not a farmer or rancher, so I have no vermin to kill. I have had mice in my place of business that I tried to get rid of in a humane manner using traps to ensure a quick death. I am not compelled to hunt game, although i can see how it is appealing to others and i see the importance of culling the herd.

I simply cannot see the fun in killing an animal for fun....personally.
 
I hunt, too, but wouldn't do it just to watch something explode. Although I like to eat what I kill, if you don't, there are soup kitchens.
 
Me? Combative?

Hmmm.. Maybe I am a little on edge lately.

I'll go out and kill some critters, er...I mean harvest some critters and that will make me feel better.

Peace.
 
Everyone, chill out or thread gets closed plus a liberal amount of infractions. No, I am not turning liberal. ;)
 
I'll go out and kill some critters, er...I mean harvest some critters and that will make me feel better.Peace.

LOL That's the spirit! You're a better man than I am, Gunga-Din! :thumbup::)

Seriously though, PM, I was razzin on you a little bit simply because I felt that, in the midst of an otherwise interesting, friendly and informative discussion, your post came across as unnecessarily, well, . . . like you had an axe to grind - and that rubbed me the wrong way. Silly on my part, really, so I apologize for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I actually do understand where your coming from on this because I know others who feel the same way about the use of "emotionally-charged" language. I guess it's just that, sometimes, the "politically correct" terminology stuff seems to cut both ways and suddenly people are pigeon-holing one another based on the choice of a word as opposed to anything substantive.

After all, aren't we talking about words that refer to essentially the same thing? For instance, when you're going out hunting do you say to your friends, "I'm going killing tomorrow, wanna come?" Do you describe yourself as a "hunter" or as a "killer?" Why don't the words "hunter" or "hunting" hold the same slippery-slope threat you disdain about the word "harvest?" I mean (my South Jersey jab notwithstanding :p :D :D) we're both hunters and we both understand the nature of that activity. It involves killing, yes, but there's an important distinction I'd like to attempt to make.

I learned to hunt at the hand of hunters who pounded into my head the important role I was playing in the game management scheme of things. Ideals involving fair-chase, shot placement, gun safety, respect for landowners and a host of other values were instilled in me along with a healthy respect for the hardiness and beauty of the animals I was preying on. The act of killing, is, for me, often the least memorable part of any year's hunting highlights. It's an exciting, adrenaline-filled rush to be sure but, once the animal is down and before the "harvesting" begins, there's a somewhat subtle but palpably anti-climactic moment that is difficult to describe or explain. Deep down, I guess I just hope that I have and will honor the life of the beautiful creature whose life I've just taken.

So, all that to say, I guess the term "harvest" in a way implies all the values and ideals I take for granted and that I’ve internalized when I'm out hunting for food. The very word itself seems to imply that I am involved in an activity that will feed and nurture myself, my family and my friends. That's why I like the word and that's why I use it interchangeably with "kill."

Now when it comes to non-game animals, I wouldn't use the word "harvest" to describe killing things I don't intend to eat. So, in that respect, I actually agree with you completely. (I do, however, very much respect and even admire those who choose to refrain from unnecessary or non-food related killing for whatever reason.) I've certainly done my fair share of target practice on critters over the years to be sure but I just don't get the same kick out of it that I used to. As I've gotten older, I now tend to confine the improvement of my shooting skills to paper targets at the range.

Again, sorry about the nasty tone I started in on you with. I've read other posts of yours and have always respected and appreciated your insight/input. I'll go back to my usual role as casual observer now and let the real experts in the area of wilderness ways take the floor. Best to you.
 
Good post Ruzster!:thumbup:

Maybe you've hit on something about not wanting to kill just to kill anymore. You said you used to. Maybe that's just it for some of us. Maybe we are "honing" our skills on a live, moving target. Maybe as we get older and wiser that urge starts to fade. I've seen it in my Dad. We used to go out and shoot gophers just to shoot them. Now that me and my brothers have grown up and moved out, Dad won't go do that by himself. He still hunts and keeps the squirrels and rabbits off Mom's bird feeder and out of the garden.

I'm 29 years old and maybe in the middle. When I was a kid, I wanted to kill stuff to test my hunting and shooting skills. Even songbirds. I think that's part of being a boy. I don't do that stuff now but I do however still enjoy going out and plinking gophers. It's like others said, right now I feel by eliminating them, I'm helping to keep them from causing problems for others. Maybe as I get older that urge will fade for me too. I don't know. I do know that I love hunting shooting and killing and I always will.
 
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Apologies here also. I did come across abrasive but didn't do it on purpose.

Just getting tired of the "new speak" that seems to have been invented to defend hunting, which I do not feel needs to be defended.

I never say "I'm going killing tomorrow" but I never say "I'm going harvesting" either.

I always go for the cleanest kill possible, and like you, the actual killing is the least memorable part of the hunt. I have had plenty of great times in the field and never shot a thing.

As far as South Jersey goes, it sucks. Not because there isn't game here, there is more than you might think, but the laws and conservation officers are horrible. I have the utmost respect for LEO's, and have had plenty of positive encounters in the field with them, but the ones here are on a mission to destroy any and all hunting.

Montana? Well let's just say I envy you. It is a beautiful place. Don't ever come to NJ. They will take your guns and suck the life out of you.
 
Although I disagree with Shecky's sentiments as vehemently as Don does, Don, you are out of line. I'll give you a chance to edit your posts and apologize for the way you said what you said, but if you do not, I will be forced to issue an infraction.

For the record, I went to bed that night so I could go to work later that night. I did not call shecky a "piece of shit" I simply said that people that would just kill game and let it rot were. I had to go back and take into account earlier about vermin, but that's beside the point. The other infraction was for joking that, perhaps, it was shecky's time of the month. Now, before I receive another infraction, you tell me why other people didn't receive infractions for use of the word "pussy" in the same manner as I used "shit."

People, life is too short to carry on such vendettas. If you don't want me here there is a mechanism to cure this ill but I would ask that at least you would have the fairness in the same damned thread to enforce the rules evenly instead of doing it this way. You guys think I am some kind of human hand grenade and I am going to explode because you call me a "troll" months ago or whatever, it's not that way. Will you define this as "sassing" a moderator? I have no idea, I'm sure that's not enforced hard and fast either.

Have a good day.
 
Don't know if this helps at all, but I will "Man up" and apologize for using the P-term in the first place. I was not using it directed any any given person, in fact I used the term "We", but that aside, it was probably inappropriate to use on this board in the first place.

Peace.
 
For the record, I went to bed that night so I could go to work later that night. I did not call shecky a "piece of shit" I simply said that people that would just kill game and let it rot were. I had to go back and take into account earlier about vermin, but that's beside the point. The other infraction was for joking that, perhaps, it was shecky's time of the month. Now, before I receive another infraction, you tell me why other people didn't receive infractions for use of the word "pussy" in the same manner as I used "shit."

People, life is too short to carry on such vendettas. If you don't want me here there is a mechanism to cure this ill but I would ask that at least you would have the fairness in the same damned thread to enforce the rules evenly instead of doing it this way. You guys think I am some kind of human hand grenade and I am going to explode because you call me a "troll" months ago or whatever, it's not that way. Will you define this as "sassing" a moderator? I have no idea, I'm sure that's not enforced hard and fast either.

Have a good day.

Gee, Don...this? after we had a nice private conversation about it. Your mood swings certainly are interesting to say the least.
 
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As a 15 year old kid i shoot a song bird for no other reason but cause it was so pretty that i noticed her... I feel bad about i till today at 42.

I did the same thing when I was about 13. I felt terrible after and buried the bird. I still feel shameful about that.

I think some of us have to learn that lesson the hard way, unfortunately, at some critter's expense.

Pests, though, I don't have an issue with killin', as long as they're actually doing damage.
 
This thread has run its course - good opinions, some bickering, but all has been said that can be said, I think...
 
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