Smith and wesson homeland security knife

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If you can go with a 5.0" blade, you might wish to look at the ZT0160. Can be had for around the $100 mark. The knife has a kydex sheath with a retaining strap, but it does snap into the sheath and is in tight enough to stay without use of the retaining strap. Not as thick as most of the ones mentioned, it is .160" thick, 5/32", and made of 14C28N Sandvik steel. I love the machined G-10 grips on mine, and have found the simple clip point blade able to do a variety of tasks without fail. It is named the ZT 0160 fixed blade Combat Knife, so I guess it would do what you are wanting it to do.
 
Army44 said:
How about the Cold Steel G.I Tanto? How good is that knife? I have decided to change my requirements , I no longer need it to be a survival knife, only a knife that will be good for combat situations. I can always carry my leatherman or swiss army knife for those purposes.
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If you are only looking for something to hurt somebody with, pretty much anything will do the job. All you need is sharp and pointy. The GI Tanto will be fine, you could look for something cheaper too, if you want.
 
What branch of the service are you in? I hear tell that some branches may not allow you to carry something that's not issued, but don't know for sure, and certainly your knife may see different tasks depending on where you're deployed. Rather than saying "I'm not special forces or infantry," you might as well just say what you ARE, lest you sound like a mall ninja. I'd avoid the Smith and Wesson knives; the ones I've owned and used have been crap. Depending on your MOS, you may need specific things out of this knife beyond some unspecified "knife combat."

Is there some reason why you NEED a knife for fighting? If you're in the military, you probably won't ever use it for such, and you'll be facing plate carriers and body armor and such. You may want to think about what can penetrate that, and what's going to best fit how you'll be using it. I've got my doubts about Cold Steel's cheapy blades for that purpose. If you're a civilian, there's no reason to have a knife for combat at all, and you should probably be looking for something more useful to you on a regular basis.
 
army44, based on what you have wrote so far, i would suggest taking a look at the zero tolerance zt170.
 
Sorry about not saying what my MOS is , or what I would actually be using it for, but I don't post specifics. Anything that I post here could be used to the enemy's advantage. By stating what the knife could be used for or what I would be using it for my MOS, I could be giving the enemy information the enemy could use against us. The only thing I am willing to say is I'm army national guard. I love my schrade knife, but the sheath is worthless. If I had a sheath that was moll capable, holds the knife securely without a strap from any position and is kydex/plastec, I would just use that knife.
 
Army44 said:
Sorry about not saying what my MOS is , or what I would actually be using it for, but I don't post specifics. Anything that I post here could be used to the enemy's advantage. By stating what the knife could be used for or what I would be using it for my MOS, I could be giving the enemy information the enemy could use against us. The only thing I am willing to say is I'm army national guard. I love my schrade knife, but the sheath is worthless. If I had a sheath that was moll capable, holds the knife securely without a strap from any position and is kydex/plastec, I would just use that knife.
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I'm getting Gecko45 flashbacks.
 
Army44 said:
Sorry about not saying what my MOS is , or what I would actually be using it for, but I don't post specifics. Anything that I post here could be used to the enemy's advantage. By stating what the knife could be used for or what I would be using it for my MOS, I could be giving the enemy information the enemy could use against us. The only thing I am willing to say is I'm army national guard. I love my schrade knife, but the sheath is worthless. If I had a sheath that was moll capable, holds the knife securely without a strap from any position and is kydex/plastec, I would just use that knife.
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Oh yeh a true operator. ;)
 
Army44 said:
Sorry about not saying what my MOS is , or what I would actually be using it for, but I don't post specifics.

Anything that I post here could be used to the enemy's advantage.

By stating what the knife could be used for or what I would be using it for my MOS, I could be giving the enemy information the enemy could use against us.
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really? seriously? we're talking about a knife, not secret laser death-ray technology. a knife is used for two things, cutting and stabbing. oops, i said too much, now the enemy knows what a knife can be used for.
 
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The ZT knives are very nice and you may want to check out some of tops knives. They have a large selection. Most are 1095 so they will be fairly rugged.
 
I would suggest a knife that's is so lethal, so effective, and available only to true operators but if I post the name here, all the readers of the post will be in lethal danger because "they" would need to control the knowledge.
 
Army44 said:
Sorry about not saying what my MOS is , or what I would actually be using it for, but I don't post specifics. Anything that I post here could be used to the enemy's advantage. By stating what the knife could be used for or what I would be using it for my MOS, I could be giving the enemy information the enemy could use against us. The only thing I am willing to say is I'm army national guard. I love my schrade knife, but the sheath is worthless. If I had a sheath that was moll capable, holds the knife securely without a strap from any position and is kydex/plastec, I would just use that knife.
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Get anything with "spec," "ops," "gov," or "tac" in its name. ("Homeland Security" and "GI" are also good.) Knives named like that are the ones the high-speed operators like yourself use.

You should be aware though, that by posting here, one can use your IP to track your loaction. I ran yours and got back "Parents' basement." I'm not really sure what that means. Maybe something went screwy.
 
I came on this site to find out about knives, not to be pissed upon for making a decision not post what I deem as sensitive information. All I ask is to please respect my decision and stay on topic. I want to thank those who have posted all the suggestions, I now have a few options to look at. I like the look of the zero tolerance knives and the size is just about right. Has anybody used the gerber prodogy?
 
I have said this before, check out the M7 Bayonet. This knife is light enough for the fighting role and sturdy for other chores. There are plenty of them out there to be had. The sheath is very tough. The M7 takes a keen edge and makes a superb weapon if you know your stuff! As to the SW products: they are ok (passable) and the stainless steel they have used holds a fairly decent edge. I would deem the SW line as an 'average' product.
 
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I came on this site to find out about knives, not to be pissed upon for making a decision not post what I deem as sensitive information. All I ask is to please respect my decision and stay on topic. I want to thank those who have posted all the suggestions, I now have a few options to look at. I like the look of the zero tolerance knives and the size is just about right. Has anybody used the gerber prodogy?
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nope, but i use often and own the lmf II, version of the basically the same knife. it's very heavy for what it is, and has a back end weird balance, but the sheath is pretty good, and will hold a knife in any position without falling out. i know this as getting it out can be a bit tough. plus i had it mounted upside down on a backpack on a hike through the swamps.

edit part: the sheath, on mine i took off the back aprt and only use the kydex or whatever plastic it is and paracord to strap it down to my belt or backpack , where i put it, so no top straps needed. it snaps into the sheath and holds fast. as to whether just the kydex part is molle capatable? don't know i don't own anything molle my guess is with all the holes you could use an adapter of some sort and it would work, but i never tried and i'm no expert.

back to original part: mines a newer version in 420hc, not 12c27 steel. the 420hc is good enough and holds a good edge.

all that said it's a tough knife and mines been through allot of hard cutting and mild chopping and faired fine. i think it falls under an army issue for some division somewhere, but don't quote me on that as i'm not good at remembering details like that. the prodigy is very similar to the lmfII, a bit smaller, less holes, and a bit cheaper. should be a good knife for your needs....except for fighting.......it doesn't have any blood grooves on it.:) kidding relax.
 
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OP,

I'm an active duty Marine. I can verify that the posting of an MOS, what you may/may not use a knife for, etc are not violations of OpSec. To claim that the posting of your NG MOS aides the enemy is purely fictitious and makes you look foolish. I can understand not wanting to post private info, but no need to lie.

Now, onto knives. You say you are a POG that hasnt deployed, and you want a knife in case your weapon goes down. Well, my first recomendation is start learning some remedial action for weapon failures. A knife in AFG for self defense is gonna help you maybe .01% of the time. Learning how to tap/rack/bang will help you far more than a knife. If your budget is $100, look into an ESEE 4. It has a molle sheath, is near the size you desire, doesnt take up too much room on your load, and will handle all survival tasks you need. The reason why that knife will be better than some combat abortion is because 99.9% of the time, it will be used while you sit in the FOB to open care packages, unscrew battery compartments, or to scrape some carbon off of a bolt face.

I can tell you havent been in long, and thats ok. Seek out some mentoring from a senior NCO, let them guide you and help you make informed decisions.


Oh, and stay away from SW knives. They are a fine firearm MFG that decided to soil their name with their knife line.
 
Army44 said:
I came on this site to find out about knives, not to be pissed upon for making a decision not post what I deem as sensitive information. All I ask is to please respect my decision and stay on topic. I want to thank those who have posted all the suggestions, I now have a few options to look at. I like the look of the zero tolerance knives and the size is just about right. Has anybody used the gerber prodogy?
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but you were also being very vague and by treating a knife purchase like it would somehow effect nation security, you made yourself seem like a mall ninja. there are many people on this site who are both active military and retired military, this is not the first time a solder has asked for a combat knife. you could have simply wrote: "i am currently in the army and i might be deployed soon. i'm looking for a knife to use for general chores and under worst case scenario, to protect my life with."

here's an idea, if you really like your current schrade knife but hate the sheath, why don't you just have a good kydex sheath made for it?
 
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I'm getting Gecko45 flashbacks.
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Wow, it's like a rebirth or something. Quality!

Dark Ops definitely the way to go for your needs, such as they are.

If you do have a knife you like, or you've seen one that you like the looks of, don't worry about the sheath too much. There are several fine custom makers who can do you up some kydex with molle locks for a very affordable price.

If you were just looking for a good useable knife, I'd suggest something like ESEE, Bark River Bravo 1 or 2, a good Becker of some sort, or even a custom (Fiddle Back Forge, maybe?). But since evidently that would somehow violate national security (cause gee, who uses a knife to cut or anything, really), you probably want to get something tactical. Like a Timberline Tactical 18 Delta Spec Ops knife. Or the Shark Knife.
 
Send an email to any of the sheath makers on here. Azwelke is generally well thought-of in the Becker crowd. I personally like the looks of Kiah's stuff. I know there are a lot of other really good ones out there, but I don't personally know of them.
 
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