Smith & Wesson up for sale

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Steven F

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I guess most forumites have probably heard by now that Smith & Wesson, in the midst of battling a series of lawsuits blaming the company for gun violence, is being sold. It's going to be this "back door" approach that ends up destroying the Second Amendment. If nuisance lawsuits force all gun manufacturers and dealers out of business, the amendment loses much of its significance. The irony is that it doesn't matter that a company wins the lawsuits against it, the cost of defensive litigation gets too expensive for the company to survive. A case in point, a few years back a small airplane manufacturer (I forgot which one) was forced out of business because of lawsuits, and yet the company had won every single case it was involved in. I think it's time that this country adopt a legal system such as that used in many other countries: if a person files a lawsuit against someone and loses, he has to pay at least part of the other person's legal fees. This would certainly cut down on the number of frivolous lawsuits, which are presently endangering our freedom and clogging our courts.

What's this got to do with khuks? Everything. Various types of knives are already illegal in many parts of the country, and the way knives may be legally carried vary from place to place. It's just a matter of time before the liberal "do-gooders" and their lawyers, encouraged by their success at shutting down gun manufacturers and dealers, focus on weapons other than guns.



[This message has been edited by Steven F (edited 01-04-2000).]
 
Steven, you heard what happened to Colt? The present owner restricted the sales of their firearms to the civilian sector. Only military and law enforcement sales now on most of their product line. I have been hearing rumors concerning the owner of Colt, that he is purchasing HK (Heckler & Koch). So the objective is to do the same with HK i.e. restrict sales to civilians. I seen the current HK 2000 prices, they jumped up 20%! These anti-gunners are going at it in a different way to restict our rights!
 
I wish someone would explain to the politicians that even if they take away our guns and knives, there will still be white oak trees and long drops on short ropes.
 
The small airplane company was Cessna where I once worked as a flight test engineer before they became a victim of smart lawyers. A fellow who crashed his airplane, a Cessna, while flying drunk sued Cessna and somehow won the suit. This set a precendent that essentially put Cessna out of the small plane business.

The government will get their way one way or the other no matter what the citizens say. As a smoker I can see that they are trying to price smoking out of existence. If I try to grow my own tobacco to beat the system they will make growing tobacco the same as growing marijuana or poppies for opium. One way or the other!

If they don't want us to have guns or knives then we will have to band together and follow the advice of one of the greatest of all Americans, Tom Jefferson, and revolt.

I saw a bumper sticker recently which read: I love my country but hate my government!

Comments?

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Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ

 
Agreed, Uncle Bill.

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said something to the effect that it was a good thing to have a revolution every twenty years or so just to keep everyone on their toes -> citizens and government? And ensure that civil liberties were not eroded.

Harry
 
Here in the UK where most guns were outlawed a few years back (the gun crime rate has, of course, *risen* since then) the politicians have made it clear that knives and swords are next on their to-be-confiscated list. We lost our rights over here because of apathy and allowing the government to whittle away the number of gun owners until there were too few of us to matter in political terms, while the media made it impossible for us to present our case. Scare stories and the politics of confiscation win votes and sell newspapers. Don't let it happen to you!

Tom (who'd emigrate to the USA tomorrow, if he could...)

 
As far as I am concerned, all the firearms makers should get their balls back out of the pockets of the the lawyers and immediately end all sales, service and parts to all Government, police and military agencies, until this litigation silliness ends.

It is idiotic to service the very people who are trying to sue you. Get the sales into the public sector and let the "Authorities" do without.

That would change their tune pretty damn fast.

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Well, if thing get real worse there are other venues to acquire firearms. There are too many gun in the U.S. for a total confiscation. The black market will have more business if the gun laws become more prohibitive. I always try to find other means of self defense gadgets. Bows and arrows, swords, knives, or even a good old fashioned axe handle. Let's not forget martial arts.
 
Yes, Harry, it was Thomas Jefferson who said a revolution every 20 years was the way to go. I think he was right as he was in most cases.

It is very important to remember that WE, THE PEOPLE run this country. If we allow our rights to be taken away we deserve it. Don't let it happen!

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Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ



[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 01-05-2000).]
 
Hey, BA, your forgot baseball bat...all time favor of America!

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\(^o^)/ Mizutani Satoshi \(^o^)/
 
I almost forgot to mention the good old fashion baseball bat
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. As long as you have a ball and glove to go with it you should be in the clear. If you use techniques borrowed from the Chinese Dao broad sword, the bat is something to reckon with!
 

The base ball bat has always been my main choice of street brawl weapon.
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The funny thing is base ball bats never really look all that intimidating until you've been hit with one!

- D

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But Al also observed that: " It's easier to persuade someone with a friendly smile and a gun than with just a friendly smile. "

You notice how gun control kept dying in congress until our senators and representatives got to watch on CNN what the Romanians did to their leader, Cseaucesku? Then all kinds of people control started passing. Can't blame congress either. It's been half a decade since a Gallop or Roper poll found over half of this fair nation's populace ( the U.S. ) considered that their own government was the foremost threat to the country's liberty.

I'd never of course advocate the violent overthrow of this country's government.

( But you do have to admire that an 1100 or 1200 round case of 7.62 x 39 at under $150 would allow shooting some 550 to 600 politicians twice in the back of the head. Certainly an elegantly minimalist economic
solution to putting this country back on the track we started from. )

But then rope is reusable. Oh well...
 
Uncle Bill,

I the Cessna story is the first one I heard about the lawyer problem. If it was not for that there would be many more people flying. You used to be able to buy a good basic plane for the cost of a sports car.

I heard the story about colt last weekend at a sales meeting. See if I can track doen the skinny at the SHOT Show week after next.

We are under attack by the greedy,narrow minded and elitist minority.

Always watch your back trail.

God Bless,

ts

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Guns are for show. Knifes are for Pros.
 
Here's a weird story about disregarding self protection in Japan.

A guy said he was sensitive on self protection, and he always keeps a heave whip in his car as he was trained to deal with whips most. To avoid troubles with LEO, he always put together candles, ropes, dildos with the whip to say his girlfriend like them.

And it worked every time.



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Well, there's my AM laugh. Good story, Satoshi!

BMW, in the early 60's I bought a 1948 Ercoupe for $2250 when I was living in Wichita and working at Cessna. I paid $3000 for a new 1965 GTO. That Ercoupe today is probably 25 or 30 thousand. I guess that tells the story.

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Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ

 
In the early 70's I turned down my dad's offer to buy a 49 Cessna 140 with short engine time and new ceconite for $3,000.

Incidentally, was reading a National Geographic I think that said a Minnesotan rigged up a powered hang glider creating the first ultra light in 1975.
 
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