SMKW's knock-off Schrade-Waldens on eBay!

Here's how I look at it: It is a fact of life that the Schrade we knew and loved is out of business and the name got sold. Given that, I would much rather see the name on knives made in the US by Camillus and Bear than on knives made "overseas". Now, you may not want to buy one of these knives, because Stewart Taylor will get some of the money. Keep in mind you are also keeping your money away from Camillus and Bear. Let's just hope that they can stay in business...

Dave
 
Camillus is still (at least partially) still in the hands of the Baer family. As it has been since the early 1930's when Albert Baer acquired the shares of August Kastor. Camillus, and Canal Street Cutlery are all we have left of the industry once known as Imperial Schrade Associated Companies, other than the remaining knife artifacts. I don't think that SMKW and the eBay sellers realize how much it might help their sales (and credibility) to actually promote the fact that Camillus produced these knives for them.

Codger
 
The issuance of the old Schrade-Walden and Walden Knife Co. tangstamp knives was,in my opinion,the first sign of how far they are willing to go.
The next steps in issuing counterfeits will be more movement toward:
1.Exact duplication of more Schrade-Walden and Schrade tangstamps,scales,etc.
2.Exact duplication of original boxes and inserts.

When the counterfeiting gets to the point where even the experts have trouble distinguishing the Ellenville-made knives from the new production knock-offs,what do you think the effect will be on the value of your Schrade collection?

If you think that Taylor,SMKW,and the rest of the Tennessee mafia have too much integrity to go that far,what about the Chinese who are making the knives for Taylor right now? When they refine their knife production skills and have more production capacity than Taylor can accomodate,do you think that they won't be willing to do it on their own? China has repeatedly shown it's disrespect for patents,copyrights,etc. and defies all US attempts to get them to shape up.
DLK - I don't give a shit about my money going to Taylor or Smoky - it's the principle!!
If they put out a good product under their own label,I'd buy their knives.
What do you say to the eBay buyers who bid on these knives,thinking they are getting a real Schrade-Walden?
Ron
 
Ron, only the future will tell, but I'm not concerned about someone making a counterfeit Schrade of such high quality that it can't be detected from a USA made original when the real thing is selling for less than half of the last MSRP. If a knife can be made well enough to fool the experts, it's probably worth the price of a real Schrade from the standpoint of the cost to make it.

Now, to be sure, there are other knives out there made by old companies that went out of business long ago, that are being altered, enhanced or outright faked, but those knives were made in comparatively small quantities, not in the millions are were the common Schrades.
 
These knives are not counterfeits. There is nothing illegal or unethical about putting the name on the new knives. This is business and free market. Why buy the name if not to use it? Face reality. It has happened countless times in the past and will continue. That's what it means that a brand name (or anything else) has value: You can sell it. AG Russell bought Cattaraugus and puts it on his knives from all over. Case has been bought and sold several times -- it it the same company? And on and on, I could name 20 other cutlery companies alone. For some reason Schrade should be exempt from this???

Dave
 
dlk, I know the knives you're referring to by Bear and Camillus aren't counterfeit, I was responding to Ron's concerns regarding what these "new Schrades" might lead to. You're also right about other companies being bought and sold; it has happened many times to Schrade. What's different about the present scenario though, is the foreign manufacture of low quality knives to continue on the name of Schrade.
 
redshanks, sorry, I was responding to Ron also -- I should have made that clear.

One way to combat the foreign versions is to support the US ones... Look at Winchester, and now Remington.

Dave
 
A likely possibility is that after the current owner of the Schrade brand has gotten all of the mileage out of it that's possible, and the name "Schrade" is disparaged and goes in the toilet, it will be bought by someone else like Case, Queen, or maybe even Canal Street, and resurrected and restored to its former glory on a much smaller scale for special editions and the like.
 
Redshanks,
That is a good thought. Hopefully we will all be around to revel in the new company.
TTYL
Larry
 
This will be my last post on this thread as I am apparently out of line and have lived too long.
Today's younger people who did not live thru the depression,WW2 and the Korean "police action" and didn't have relatives,friends,and acquaintence's killed and wounded,have a different outlook on life.
In the 40's,50's,and early 60's;principle and integrity were highly valued.

"These knives are not counterfeits. There is nothing illegal or unethical about putting the name on the new knives. This is business and free market. "

If a company makes an exact copy of an old,respected,quality knife and markets it with the intention of decieving the buyer into thinking he is getting an original - that's counterfeiting,in my opinion! It doesn't matter if they now own the brand name or not - the intention is to deceive the customer.
Talk to some antique dealers about legally licensed,counterfeits.
Have a good day!
Ron
 
Ron, you shouldn't make that your last post on the subject, it's obviously important to you. How many Schrade products do you have, 20, 50, 100, more? How many China Schrades do you have, 1? How many more are you going to buy, none?

The change in ownership won't affect guys like you and me as long as we have our eyes open. Sure, people will buy a knife sight unseen on eBay and will learn from the experience if they get one of the imposters, but for new buyers, like my kids, who look at knives in regular retail stores (which is still the very best way to buy a knife that you're not familiar with), they can look, compare, and determine for themselves whether or not the knife represents the value they're looking for, regardless of the brand or place of manufacture.

edit: my kids are unlikely to ever collect Schrades, they don't care for the older knives at all. If they or anyone else were to collect them in the future, they have a duty to be informed by educating themselves to guard against the misrepresentation you're concerned about. The same is true of all collectables. All of the old adages always apply, "Buyer Beware," "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..." That reminds me, I have Jim Bowie's original knife and am looking for an interested buyer before I leave this good earth and my kids end up giving it away. ;)
 
redshanks said:
That reminds me, I have Jim Bowie's original knife and am looking for an interested buyer before I leave this good earth and my kids end up giving it away. ;)
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Then it must be a counterfeit, cause we all know Rich owns the Alamo bowie, and he already promised it to me. ;)

Glenn
 
You both have been fooled.My original Bowie came with a C.O.A. from Mr.Parker saying It is the real one.Arnold
 
Hi Guys,
I am a newbie, I am confused, are the schrade walden
yellow handles not from The Old Schrade Factory stock
parts? That is the way they were advertised ,and who made them.
Thank you for putting up with my newbie questions.
Thank you
Randy
 
Randy, in 2004, Imperial Schrade was forced into bankruptcy liquidation. Everything was sold at auction. Among the items sold in lots was the intellectual property (patents, trademarks, etc.) of Imperial Schrade. That lot was purchased by Stewart Taylor DBA Taylor Brands LLC. Taylor contracted with manufacturers in China to produce copies of Schrade knives using the trademarked names he purchased. A few of the trademarks, like the Walden name, he rents to people like MR. Kevin Pipes of Smokey Mountain Knife Works. Mr. Pipes, in turn, contracts with Camillus and Bear and Son Cutlery to produce knives with the rented names on them. These are them.

Codger
 
thank you ,so i have knives made with old stock parts and rented name and maybe put togather in a
U.S.A factory.I think I have purchased my last smkw
schrade walden
thank you Randy
 
No, I doubt they were assembled from NOS Schrade parts. They are most likely 100% Camillus produced parts. Read the bottom of the insert. I think the tubes may be NOS, but that is all.

Codger
 
there was also a room full of knives that had been sent in for repair, knives that had failed Quality Control and knives that for one reason or another were not to be sent to "market".

thus, there are a whole lot of "Schrades" that would never have seen the light of day in the marketplace, that are surfacing (some even have a "Certificate of Authenticity" !!!!).
 
thanks, you guys ! Del they all ready got me on the
Certificate of Authenticity but turned out to be a pretty nice 294 trapper!
Randy
 
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