SMKW's knock-off Schrade-Waldens on eBay!

w5rwu said:
Hi Guys,
I am a newbie, I am confused, are the schrade walden
yellow handles not from The Old Schrade Factory stock
parts? That is the way they were advertised ,and who made them.
Thank you for putting up with my newbie questions.
Thank you
Randy
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Apparently Randy was one of those deceived into thinking the knives were manufactured by Schrade/Schrade-Walden.
Here's Mr. Bernard Levine's position on counterfeits:

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Let's see,we now have Schrade-Walden,Walden,and Hammer brand bowies from New York Knife Co.Looks like we have some of Levine's "high-powered" players starting to move.


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I don't see any of this stuff marked "reproductions".
I'll not deny Camillus makes some good knives,but they also make some lower grade knives.Look at their "Rough cut" series.

Hmmmnn - maybe they will buy the Winchester copyrights and start reissuing pre-64 Model 70's with the same serial numbers used on the originals.
Or maybe the Tiffany name and put out some "original" Tiffany lamps !
I can't wait until we have 55 T-birds and 63 'vette's in the showrooms!

Redshanks,
I'm sorry to admit you were right! This old fart still has too much "fire in the belly" to keep my trap shut.
As far as # of Schrades - I'm still working on my lifetime supply.I've only got about 65.Since I'm only 70,I still need a couple more.
Chinese Schrades ? Zip,Nada!:thumbdn:
Ron
 
The boxes and papers with/without sheaths would probably be worth your while if you listed them seperately and honestly describe them. I've been known to buy the woodgrain boxes and papers to go with mint knives myself. Showing the box logos and papers clearly, stating any copyright dates, etc. lets a knowledgable collector date the box to match his knives. On the sheaths, they will bring the better prices when matched with an original box, most particularly because it provenances the sheath to a time period, and as a first quality, not a factory find reject.

You won't get rich off of them though, so pay for them accordingly. Don't give the seller the impression that he has a gold mine. Be prepared to smile, thank him, and walk away if his price is too high, or cherry pick his offerings.

Codger
 
:p Ron we are all pissed that there aren't any new USA Schrades:thumbdn:grumpy: : . Under the current situation at least it's not Mao Cutlery building Schrade 153/UT..with an American eagle acid etched on the blade:thumbup: .....and maybe some day the climate will be ripe for Talor Brands LLC. to build a plant in KingsportTennessee right next to the giant distrabution center :jerkit: or maybe ,Texas,New York.....who knows I for one am happy the SCHRADE legacy lives on,if you look real close you can see two nostrills just above the surface.:eek: I said in another tread about this that when Walden.:mad: ..changed to Imperial there were probably a lot of angree people,saying there gose the neigborhood. And even though I'm a dyed RED/WHITE/BLUE...Schrade lover I cringe at the thought of Baer,Buck,Case, Camillus,Ontario,Gerber............any knife company going the route Schrade went it sucks.But as Dicky V..said don't give up don't ever give up...funnier stuffs happened..(TOYOTA.,USA)..besides if we didn't buy anything from the,@#^&*^%$#!! Red Chinese most of us would be bare footed..of course that would be almost tolerable with a new 498 with staglon ,and NRA commerative etched on the blade with a USA tang stamp and in a red white and blue box printed in 2006....I CAN ONLY HOPE..:p :p ..good night ....hogdog
 
Thanks Codger,
Sounds like good advice. I always try to give descriptions that come as close to the viewer holding the item theirself. That and a decent pic (s) go along way.
Specified details, as you mention, allow the right buyer to matchup w/what they need. I searched some online and see what you mean about sheaths & boxes not being any goldmine. Maybe it will be more like "community service" and keep me off the streets. ;)
Thanks again for sharing your input. I already think the 152 sheath is wrong. Not pointed with a hold down loop, instead more straight and slender like I saw on a 162UH, w/o snapped loop. I'm kind of surprised (not really) how many "shoppers" apparently can't get items back in the right box!
 
hogdog said:
:p And even though I'm a dyed RED/WHITE/BLUE...Schrade lover I cringe at the thought of Baer,Buck,Case, Camillus,Ontario,Gerber............any knife company going the route Schrade went it sucks.
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Too late in the case of Gerber. They were bought out years ago by Fiskars. I notice (on my infrequent trips into chimart..er Walmart and other big box stores) that there is a brand of knives called Carolina Knife & Tool. They have the same address as Gerber, (14200 SW 72nd Ave, Portland, OR 97224) and these packages are stamped "Made in China."

I am not sure what is going on with Buck, but at Christmas I noticed that all their slipjoints I saw at Walmart were made in China. I think their other stuff all made at their new factory in Post Falls, Idaho. Next time I am at their factory I intend to ask about the chinese slipjoints.

Dale
 
Hey Dale,

Just trying to help here...

I think (dangerous, I know) that Carolina Knife and Tool was started and owned by Blackie Collins...then sold to Gerber/Fiskars a few years ago. Then Gerber started bringing in the Chinese made Winchester knives and multitools to WalMart, and I don't see much of the Carolina stuff in the AZ WalMarts anymore.

The Buck slipjoints with 30x numbers are still USA made...but the WalMart ones with 37x numbers are made in China, IIRC.

Bill
 
Thanks,
I didn't know the history behind the names. I thought that Winchester, the chinese stuff, was imported by Taylor. I thought there may be a connection between Taylor/Gerber/Fisker/Carolina Knife & Tool. That is assumption on my part, (also dangerous). Do you know if Taylor is associated with them?

Thanks,
Dale
 
I can't say with assurance yes or no about Taylor. But, I can't imagine a company as large and diversified would need Taylor in the mix. JMO.

Here is Fiskars list of products and it includes Gerber, Winchester, and the folding box cutter, Superknife...

http://www.fiskarsbrands.com/our_family_of_brands.php

Best I've got, my friend.

Bill

P. S.
Also Wilkinson Sword Garden Tools...??
 
I'm pretty sure that Taylor ..owns the Smith&wesson and Colt brands amoung a few othersSwatt, Extreme Ops. On thier home page they boast 80+ brands ie.Old Timer, Uncle Henry...I wonder if anybody knows when Taylor Brands LLC. started making knives(somebody??) Do you guys think that Frost Cultery may have been the host cell for this cancer?....I think we should all come together and figure out some kinda solution. Like...for every knife you own with a ( I started to say Foreign..then I realized I have some from Spain , Argentina, Ireland, Japan,Pakistan,Germany, Finnland,THE BIG ONE CHINA..... but I guess it all puts presure on USA manufactures) FOREIGN tang stamp you should own 3 USA tang stamped knives,regardless of manufactures name.Or how about any USA company,brand,manufacture,importer,etc..etc..etc ..who has more than 33.33% of its holdings in a foreign land (NOT USA SOIL) should be exsposed and a total boycott of any of it's goods or services, should be called for until 1 year after the time it no longer had more than 33.33% of it's business in a FOREIGN land. And what ever it is that we come up with to protect the USA from this kind of invasion,should be tackked right on the end of the pledge of allegiance.I realize that this might be leaning in the direction of protectionism..(is that a word) but it's time WE THE PEOPLE realize our government policies aren't written for our benifit,and take steps to protect our own. I just got through watching the military channel about WWII and most of the soldiers said they fought for thier Buddy next to them not for the government.It really has to start somewhere.I'm as guilty,or more so than anywho,I'm going to buy a USA tang stamp today....but I guess that another Schrade r/w/b isn't going to help,....I'm going to buy two USA tang stamps today.
 
El Lobo said:
Here is Fiskars list of products and it includes Gerber, Winchester, and the folding box cutter, Superknife...
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Superknife:mad: I hate that thing, a large nail in the Schrade Coffin!
 
I understand them trying to "one-up" Stanley's utility knife in their tool line. Shame it was a poor design all the way around.
 
woseyjales said:
...... I already think the 152 sheath is wrong. Not pointed with a hold down loop, instead more straight and slender like I saw on a 162UH, w/o snapped loop. I'm kind of surprised (not really) how many "shoppers" apparently can't get items back in the right box!
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This may have been the correct sheath if it was the SAS17.
From my book draft:

The SAS17 sheath was listed as an accessory sheath in the 1983 catalog, and included with a few gift boxed sets and scrim sharpies of the early eighties. These are sometimes found with scrimshaw editions of the early/mid 1980's (circa 1983/84) . This style was provided with the 1984 U.S. Olympic Shooting Team knives. So far, I have seen them in chocolate brown, tan, and also black. Composed of one piece of leather folded over, sewn with brown or black thread, and with a finishing rivet on each end of the stitching, the sheaths securely hold the knives by depth and friction alone. The back panel was again folded over to provide the belt loop, and secured by stitching alone. This design was later adapted for use with the 156OT Little Finger knife, and even later for the PH1 and PH2 knives and others. These sheaths are uncommon. This sheath was produced at the time when the 13OT and 14OT, and a few other patterns were introduced and is patterned after those sheaths. My guess is that the sharpie was just too sharp pointed to work well with this style sheath, because after brief usage, Schrade returned to the deep drawn original style sheath and kept using it through the remainder of production.
Here is a composite photo in rough order of 152OT sheaths.



Codger
 
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