Smoke for the passing of a Budo man

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My father was a Navy Corpsman, tended to wounded Marines, and came to hate the Japanese. Shortly after his death, my daughter met and married a Japanese man. Their daughter, my precious granddaughter (one of twelve grandkids) is an absolute gem. Would that my old man could have spent time with his great granddaughter; I think he would have come away with a different point of view.
 
I may misunderstand but there seems to be an inferance I may criticize the man for his race? I dont. {read my genetic history.I am pure mongrel.}} I just point out the man was wanted as a war criminal. I wonder was he at the rape of Nanking? the Battan death march? etc.

I except responsibility for evrything I have done in life.


I ALSO think many British Generals should have faced the consequences of thier actiions that for the decsions they took., in ww1 & earlier.

I hope that as he grew older he mellowed & atoned for whatever he may have done. The fact he continued to teach "The way of the warrier" makes me wonder though.

Either way . Hes on his way & the wheel of life will deal with yet another soul.

Spiral
 
The only race thing I remember was my reference to 'lessor races', which I should have put asterisks around to avoid confusion. The phrase was used as partial explanation, because Japanese society then truly believed there were lessor races and there was a different set of rules for them. This does not apologize for the man's crimes, if there were crimes, but acknowledges how the context of time and society matter. Two hundred years ago the US had slaves.


munk-
 
Sure Munk, I am not casting stones, I am also not advocating Genetic guilt, just that as individuals we all do or have done what we have done. A fact I know you recognise.

Sometimes we make up for it in life, sometimes perhaps we dont, thats assuming ther is any divine justice in life at the end. Some war criminals might have a lot to make up for though, I dont know whether there is devine justice or kama past the life we expeireince. It would be nice if there was though.

I find some things in life harder to forgive than others but luckily, I dont have the job of final judgment.

Spiral
 
It pains me to think of Mr. Nawa being involved with some sort of war crime. Given his skillset and there being several wars that Japan was involved with in his time, I'm sure there's an interesting story or two in there. Mr Gruzanski was an MP when he became Mr. Nawa's student, if there was something very wrong with Mr. Nawa, I'll have to trust his judgement about getting involved with him.
 
Each of us will have to make his own determination regarding this. And thankfully for me, The Man Upstairs can take care of it.


munk
 
Smoke up...you can't go on hating for ever. Both of my grandfathers fought the Japanese in WW2 as members of the Australian army, and Japan had occupation money printed for the time they thought they would takeover my country. We fought back and won with the help of our US allies (the british did absolutely nothing for us!). Yet that is history and I now have the three kanji symbols for bushido tatooed on my forearm.
 
Can i suggest you read some more history on how many British died in Burma, Malaya etc fighting in WW2 Irezumi, if they hadnt Australia would have had more to deal with.

I wish people would understand its to do with the individual not the race.

How did the British army let you down Irezumi? I would like to hear.

I know many mistakes were made but you perspective sounds intresting.

Spiral
 
Incense for the ghosts. Prayers for the souls. Karma for us all.
For Nawa-san:
Though a man should conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle,
He who conquers himself is the greatest warrior
--Dhammapada
 
spiraltwista said:
Can i suggest you read some more history on how many British died in Burma, Malaya etc fighting in WW2 Irezumi, if they hadnt Australia would have had more to deal with.

I wish people would understand its to do with the individual not the race.

How did the British army let you down Irezumi? I would like to hear.

I know many mistakes were made but you perspective sounds intresting.

Spiral
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Haha..looks like I hit a raw nerve with a Pom! No offense mate..it was your government that used us like Cannon Fodder, not you...all the way from the Boer War, to Gallipoli, to the fact that we had the untrained 39th holding the kokoda trail until the British would allow our regular AIF to return to protect Australia. As for the British holding the Japs up, did you know why Singapore fell (besides the artillery facing the wrong way)? 30,000 starving Japanese arrived and saw 70,000 Australians, British and Indian troops and were ready to retreat, until the British (in command of the Australians and Indians) ordered a surrender. Bloody nice work. If they had of fought they wouldn't got to Papua. Oh, and then the British basically said that the Japanese could have Australia and wouldn't release our troops from the middle east and that "we would all come and take it back later!". The only reason Australia was not taken over was because of our diggers on the Kokoda trail that stopped the Japanese army for the FIRST time in the whole war and then the combined efforts of US and Australia during the battles on the Coral see.

Anyway, that is all history mate, and very interesting history.
 
I don't think I've had the pleasure.

Do itashimashite.

I've had a soft spot for Aussies for years. They seem like kindred spirits.

John
 
It is interesting history. I wonder if this explains the friendship of Australia and the US today?

But in truth, the Brits were dying all over the globe, and I believe once the US was (finally) in, it was understood the Pacific was their theatre of operation.

Britain and Australia are two of the nations worth going to war for.



munk
 
Hey Spectre, O-GENKI DESU KA?


Munk..yes you are very right. Brits and Aussies have always, and will always break each others ball$...but they know we've got their back.
 
Intresting Iruzumi, I see your point, just didnt understand your original point that the Brits did nothing for the Ozis in WW2.

I have know many Englishmen men who fought the Japanese in Burma, thailand Malaya etc. & suffered throught there lives as a result. & without them Oz would have been taken.

It was the combined operations of English, Indians, Yanks, Ozis & Chinese that defeated the Japanese.

Well as for the surrendor of Singapore i have met Brit officers from that time who think Lt.Gen. Wavel was a coward who should have been executed for surrendering.


Most army are a hierachy that allow lower ranks to die, thats how it works, inlisted men are the most expendable, sadley if you add the Brit class system to that it can reach the stage it did in WW1 of 50,000 dying in a day because they orderd the men to walk across the battlefields {not run, or lie down.} towards machine guns. I hope they faced the Brit Generals consequnces of thier actions. {Rather than heros that they treated one another as..}

Politicians are generaly ruthless in war time. The English happily use thier own as cannon fodder. So yes they happily would use the Ozis as well.

Its moraly wrong but it has one a lot of battles.

Thre British have a history of face to face fighting, so do Gurkha & Ozis, Its still fairly true today even with air support. But its usfull in holding actions.

WW2 was hard on the Ozis but I think all those Brits , Indians, etc who died, helped your country a little bit as well.

Thanks for your repley.

Spiral
 
Danny,

History is what gives lives context. When you tell us of a life- that equals history. In a very real sense, history is people. Now chill out, dude. Just because someone has different ideas than you, doesn't mean you can tell them to piss off. That is antithetical to the spirit of what you study. Nin= the opposite of arrogance, you big Texan.

Irezumi,

Genki desu. Dozo yoroshiku.

John
 
If you think Soke doesnt get angry when people are disrespectful, you are in for an unpleasant surprise.
This was a smoke thread.
Spiral is a damn troll and he hasnt changed.
I hope Nasty kicks him out again soon.
 
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