Snapped BK-2 during batoning back in 2014?

Discussion in 'Becker Knife & Tool' started by jmmw, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. jmmw

    jmmw

    3
    Nov 23, 2019
    Hey all,

    This is sort of embarassing.

    My best friend bought me a BK-2 back in late 2014. I wasn't able to take it out and use it for another six months or so. The first trip out with it, I was batoning some wood with it and it snapped.

    I put it away and kind of forgot about it. It was one of those things that I figured I'd get to resolving eventually. I didn't think it'd take four years for me to get around to it, but what're you gonna do?

    Any ideas?

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  2. The Warrior

    The Warrior Insane Viking Moderator

    Mar 11, 2011
    Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here. Not sure why you waited all this time, haha. You could always contact KA-BAR, see if they'll do anything about it or not. Batonning isn't included in the warranty, iirc, but, you never know, they may replace it.

    Question...Did you hit the spine of the blade near the handle while batonning? That's usually what causes a break back there. Was it during the winter, aka cold out, pine wood, etc? You didn't hit it with something else metal, did you? I remember someone coming here with a break like that, and they used the butt of their hatchet to use as a baton.
     
  3. jmmw

    jmmw

    3
    Nov 23, 2019
    Thanks for the welcome.

    I remember striking it only at the tip, but it was also four years ago. It was in the autumn, but wasn't too cold if I remember correctly. I think it was low 40s maybe when it happened?

    I carved a mallet from an osage orange branch and started batoning the rest of the wood from it with it. I don't remember it being particularly knotty. I don't even remember how much wood we got through it before it happened, but it definitely didn't snap *immediately.* Afterwards, we just carved a wooden wedge and started splitting wood that way pretty easily, so I don't think it was the wood itself that caused it, but who knows?
     
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  4. The Warrior

    The Warrior Insane Viking Moderator

    Mar 11, 2011
    I would just contact KA-BAR, see what they have to say. Batonning isn't covered, I just read it briefly: https://www.kabar.com/customer/warranty.jsp

    Still doesn't mean they won't help you out though. Here's the number: 800-282-0130
     
  5. The Warrior

    The Warrior Insane Viking Moderator

    Mar 11, 2011
    By the way, I remember you posting about this on BushcraftUSA, back in 2014, if you're the same person. He used the same wood as a baton. He was from Texas, and so are you. :thumbsup:
     
  6. Don W

    Don W Gold Member Gold Member

    765
    Jan 31, 2012
    I hate to see it, but Shtuff happens, A quick call to Kabar should resolve this issue.
     
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  7. Crag the Brewer

    Crag the Brewer

    598
    Oct 18, 2018
    we Aren't supposed to hit the handle with the baton?
    Geez, I learned something new today... Ugh!

    I have smacked the crap out of the handle and the tip, going through Big, tough logs sometimes... :/
     
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  8. FAL'ER

    FAL'ER Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    I've tried to break them on purpose and haven't been able to yet. Op is just lucky I guess.

    I bet ya Kbar hooks you up. let us know what they say.
     
  9. Ethan Becker

    Ethan Becker Moderator Moderator

    Sep 1, 1999
    First off let me extend a great big “Sorry about that”.....

    there are two schools of thought about tempering the spine and leaving it soft.....Ka-Bar has historically been in favor of a soft spine which allows a bend before a snap..... This works pretty well almost all the time....Occasionally you get an anomalous grain structure at the transition area between hard and soft.... I would like to emphasize the OCCASIONAL aspect.... There is in any process of making things a rare occurrence of “No crap. Looky here guys. how did THAT happen”..... Steels do interesting things in heat treat sometimes. Ka-Bar uses some of the best people on the planet but.....

    BTW Most, but not all,v batonning fails involve clubbing the blade on the handle side of the target piece. I do not know why. I have asked around and no one seems to have a good answer..... It is like throwing a blade... If the blade is over about 54 RC in hardness it will break.....If you throw your blade and it does not break just throw it a few more times and it will. No one knows for sure as to why.

    Give Ka-Bar a call....

    Sorry about the inconvenience....

    Ethan
     
  10. Xr6x

    Xr6x Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 17, 2015
    First off I just want to say I don't throw my Knives :) but on that subject I've been curious about the 1095 thrower KA-BAR has and the Heat treat they say it has and wondering how long it could take that kind of abuse?
     
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  11. Ethan Becker

    Ethan Becker Moderator Moderator

    Sep 1, 1999
    That thrower should be just fine.... If you heat’ em to throw you will be ok....They just will not be great at cutting.
     
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  12. eveled

    eveled Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 11, 2016
    From what I’ve seen all throwing knives break eventually. Some weird stuff happens from all those impacts. Believe it or not I’ve seen throwing knives become magnetic. So you actually start to align the grains in the steel?
     
  13. SALTY

    SALTY Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 19, 2000
    Broken BK2s aren't really something you ever hear of, but winds blow, fires burn, crops fail and sh__ [...] "stuff happens.
    KaBar is a great company and ... you just never know; you may get lucky..

    Separately, but related, how many knife companies have what is tantamount to an on-call, at-the -ready designer/representative responding to forum threads like Ethan does?

    KaBar makes good becker knives - Ethan makes them even better yet!

    Good to hear from you E.
     
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  14. Bladite

    Bladite ǝɹnsıǝן ɟo uɐɯǝןʇuǝb Moderator

    Feb 28, 2003
    batoning osage orange?

    dude, i wouldn't even bring my axe near that :D too hard.
     
  15. tanglediver

    tanglediver Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    My poor, poor old Buck 120, tisk, tisk, tisk. And the box logo clearly shows you can hit it with a hammer through a block of (I used dry Oak) wood, so I thought as a young whipper snapper.
     
  16. eveled

    eveled Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 11, 2016
    The Buck logo is thru a bolt. 39264696-41C8-4A83-BBBD-D52DB441AA67.jpeg A7F82F60-B610-4AC1-96FB-67A3F81A01CA.jpeg the old adds had a disclaimer. The hammer blow must be True and Straight. Or something similar.
     
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  17. BRab

    BRab Gold Member Gold Member

    804
    Nov 23, 2009
    I tried to break my BK2, but I failed...

    However mine is Gen 1 with not cutouts in the handle, which is where the OP broke his...
     
  18. Bobber

    Bobber Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2009
    Make a folder... That would be awesome.
     
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  19. Plainsman

    Plainsman

    842
    Apr 5, 1999
    It already has the pin hole too!!
     
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  20. Ethan Becker

    Ethan Becker Moderator Moderator

    Sep 1, 1999
    Arrrrrgh!
     
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