Snow Shelter

Big Bunker, excellent ideas there!

i'm curious about this survival bag...what is it exactly? in my mind i'm thinking of some sort of bivvy style bag made from bright orange material...

It is nothing more than a big big duffle bag with a zipper across the top. It held a huge sleeping bag, and several changes of clothes and a spare parka.

You also had one in the vehicle that had other survival type gear in it, food, stove, pot to melt snow, things like that. No bug juice, 550 or a compass. I mean you are at the South Pole, no matter which way you go it's North. ;)

The bags are about 2' wide and about 4' long from what I can remember. Mine were a heavy canvas.
 
Uh.... Did you sleep in there already? I am afraid to tell you that unless you wear an appropiate sleeping bag you are going to be cold. That snow cave is dug out at ground level. The entrance is at the very same height as the sleeping surface. I am at work now so I can't really elaborate but try to google a bit about snow caves. To be heat efficient you need to have a cold trench below the sleeping surface so it works as a trap preventing drift and warm air lose.

The trick is to find a big and stable snow bank and dig first horizontally and then up. The problem is that you need ideal snow conditions and lots of snow. Fresh snow will colapse and ice will be hell to dig out. Also the smaller the entrance, the better, but you also need elbow room to work with a shovel.

That snow cave will provide some protection from the wind and trap a bit of air if you block the entrance (be carefull not to suffocate yourself, poke a sky pole through the roof if you decide to block the entrance.

BTW... just in case you were wondering....
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Been there... done that. We got caught by a storm in the Alps at 4000+ meters (like over 12.000 feet I guess). Even we were familiar with the whole theory... we had a not so funny night in there. We ended up digging with the cooking pot (remember what I told you about elbow room?) and chopping some ice spots with the ice axes. We took turns because it was very tiring. I was carrying a 0ºC rated sleeping bag and temps dropped to -17ºC. I slept fully clothed and wasn't as cold as I expected (I have endured a few worse nights). Next day we crawled out of our hole, climbed to the summit and went back down pretty much thrashed.

Mikel

PD: The metal sheet in the lower portion of the picture is the heat reflector from the stove while melting snow.

PD: I just re-read my post and noticed that I might have sound like a smart-ass. Didn't mean it. Sorry if I sound like that.
 
mikel, i did already sleep in it.

i used my 0 C bag opened up like a blanket, ontop of my sleeping pad. i was warm except for my feet.
 
Good stuff.
Block the door if you're going to leave it up.

Every one of these we built was invaded by the neighborhood cats at night when it was unoccupied.

Just watch that roof.
Snow is heavier than it looks.
If that lands on you when you are prone, it'll be a beech to get up & out.
:D
 
Good stuff.
Just watch that roof.
Snow is heavier than it looks.
If that lands on you when you are prone, it'll be a beech to get up & out.
:D

Two good friends of mine died when their snow cave was crushed,
You do have to be careful with them!!
 
Two good friends of mine died when their snow cave was crushed,
You do have to be careful with them!!


That is horrible, VT.... I'm so sorry.....

When their cave was crushed.... not collapsed? Do you mean by an outside force?


When I dig snowcaves I always gage the depth with sticks shoved in from the top and sides.... too much weight will pin you if it collapses. i think Siguy did that IIRC.

Having a raised bed is important... that coldwell makes all the difference.

Rick
 
the danger of collapse is another reason i like the idea of the snow hut with a debris shelter frame underneath...not only does it mean less work piling and then excavating snow, but it also means that it is much less prone to collapse...

VTguy, sorry to hear that by the way.
 
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