Well, I had a govt job, and during the free time I was foruming a lot over in the HI section. Lots of handy guys over there, and soon I was participating along with projects they did. I had a knack for sheaths, and started making sheaths to sell, but there wasn't much money in it. Eventually, I switched to knives, and it was really downhill from there. On May1, 2009, I got laid off, and so began my full time career.