So I bent the tip on my gso-5

rodriguez7

rodriguez7

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I was trying to pry a field point from a bad shot my friend made yesterday on a hunting trip. Getting some practice in, he missed a shot and hit a tree. So I was prying it out with my gso, and was amazed by the bent tip. I figured this tip was stout enough, and was surprised it bent, I didn't think I was prying hard at all. I was able to bend it back on our horse trailer. I'm wondering if it could be a faulty heat treat or something. I've done much worse with thinner blades. Weird.
 
I would definitely contact Guy directly for that. From what I've seen he's been really good at addressing the few warranty issues that have come up since I've started frequenting here.
 
I didn't happen to get a pic, and I was able to straighten it out. I find it extremely odd, I could swear I've pried harder with my 4.1. It was a small dead juniper. I didn't think I was prying hard. I didn't have anything to gain leverage on, and it was with one hand. This blade is pretty thick, certainly didn't expect it.
 
I didn't mention, this is a hell of a nice knife. I really like the size and shape. Perfect wilderness blade. I love it!!!
 
Nutnfancy bent the tip on his 5.1 in one of his videos by prying a nail out so I doubt it's a heat treat problem. The tip is a weak point on any knife.
 
Standard78 said:
Nutnfancy bent the tip on his 5.1 in one of his videos by prying a nail out so I doubt it's a heat treat problem. The tip is a weak point on any knife.
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I understand that, just stating I've done worse with thinner knives, just find it odd for 3v at 60rc.
 
The amount of damage at the tip depends a lot on how deep in the wood the knife was driven before the lateral force was applied, and what the leverage was applied against.
For example driving the tip in next to a piece of steel and then levering is different than just driving the tip into the wood without a fulcrum.
All steels have the same deformation strength at the same hardness, so changing the alloy will just change the failure mode a bit.
3V is pretty forgiving and tends not to snap compared to other alloys. If enough force is applied it is either going to bend or break.
For field use bending is normally preferred.
 
Well I was doing some further testing, I can't get it to bend again with just wood. It had to be something to do with the metal piece I was prying out. Very odd. I'll worry about it if it happens again, for now it seems ok, just hope I didn't weaken it to much by bending it back. I'll probably get a hold of Guy anyway.
 
Standard78 said:
Nutnfancy bent the tip on his 5.1 in one of his videos by prying a nail out so I doubt it's a heat treat problem. The tip is a weak point on any knife.
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If you were paying attention, Nutnfancy bent the tip because he tip was against the nail while he was prying it out.

That being said, we need pictures as a proof. I have pried using my GSO 4.1 in 20cv with no issues. Also Guy has done some prying videos specially with an S90v steel which some people call it "brittle".

There's 3 things that come to mind why the OP's knife tip bent.

1) he was probably trying to bend it on purpose.

2) Guy's edge grind has gotten thinner for cutting efficiency. Maybe that's why the "tip" bent

3) Lastly, Maybe as the OP was trying to pry out his field point, he didn't realize that the tip was hitting the field point.

I don't know how much of the tip you bent, but consider that broken as you have weaken the steel by prying it back straight. the next time you pry, the tip will most likely break.
 
rodriguez7 said:
I was trying to pry a field point from a bad shot my friend made yesterday on a hunting trip. Getting some practice in, he missed a shot and hit a tree. So I was prying it out with my gso, and was amazed by the bent tip. I figured this tip was stout enough, and was surprised it bent, I didn't think I was prying hard at all. I was able to bend it back on our horse trailer. I'm wondering if it could be a faulty heat treat or something. I've done much worse with thinner blades. Weird.
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Do you have a photo or anything and have you contacted us at info@surviveknives.com about it? My next question is what side is the "bend" on? We did have some blades in that batch that got slightly "bitten" so to speak by the grinding wheel, out on the tip, on the flag side of the blade. If I could clean it up to where it wasn't really noticeable when sharpening I let them go since it didn't affect performance. The tip of those isn't really bent, the grinding wheel just bit into the "B" side tip a little bit, as it was finishing the grind, coming off of the panel and out into the tip. It might have been a little worse than what I thought it was, it is sometimes hard to see with the tumble finish. The new finish is much easier for us to inspect for things like that. I also think we've got the problem tracked down and sorted out for future production.

In any case, please send it back to us for an evaluation to the address on our website. If it is the issue I mentioned above, we'll gladly replace it for you. If it is actually bent, which seems much less likely, I'll replace that too.

-Guy
 
Standard78 said:
Nutnfancy bent the tip on his 5.1 in one of his videos by prying a nail out so I doubt it's a heat treat problem. The tip is a weak point on any knife.
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Haha! That guy, prying against a nail. I would more describe that as a badly deformed edge. I offered to sharpen that out but I've still never seen it back in my shop. Maybe one day or perhaps he cleaned it up himself. I would be very curious to know what he thinks of the new spec GSO-5.1.
 
SURVIVE! said:
Do you have a photo or anything and have you contacted us at info@surviveknives.com about it? My next question is what side is the "bend" on? We did have some blades in that batch that got slightly "bitten" so to speak by the grinding wheel, out on the tip, on the flag side of the blade. If I could clean it up to where it wasn't really noticeable when sharpening I let them go since it didn't affect performance. The tip of those isn't really bent, the grinding wheel just bit into the "B" side tip a little bit, as it was finishing the grind, coming off of the panel and out into the tip. It might have been a little worse than what I thought it was, it is sometimes hard to see with the tumble finish. The new finish is much easier for us to inspect for things like that. I also think we've got the problem tracked down and sorted out for future production.

In any case, please send it back to us for an evaluation to the address on our website. If it is the issue I mentioned above, we'll gladly replace it for you. If it is actually bent, which seems much less likely, I'll replace that too.

-Guy
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How's it going Guy, thanks for responding. I do not have a pic, but it definitely was a bend. I straightened it on the horse trailer. I'm heading out hunting this weekend again, into the wilderness on horseback, and I'll be carrying this blade with me all week. I think I'll just hold onto it, not to worried about it right now. I was not able to duplicate it prying hard wood, so I'm guessing it'll be just fine. I think it had something to do with the way I was prying, no clue, I was surprised though. I really love this knife though, it's better than my busse's and up there with my customs. Good job!
 
knife chop said:
If you were paying attention, Nutnfancy bent the tip because he tip was against the nail while he was prying it out.

That being said, we need pictures as a proof. I have pried using my GSO 4.1 in 20cv with no issues. Also Guy has done some prying videos specially with an S90v steel which some people call it "brittle".

There's 3 things that come to mind why the OP's knife tip bent.

1) he was probably trying to bend it on purpose.

2) Guy's edge grind has gotten thinner for cutting efficiency. Maybe that's why the "tip" bent

3) Lastly, Maybe as the OP was trying to pry out his field point, he didn't realize that the tip was hitting the field point.

I don't know how much of the tip you bent, but consider that broken as you have weaken the steel by prying it back straight. the next time you pry, the tip will most likely break.
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Maybe I came off as an asshole with my statement, but that wasn't my intention.
Yes I was paying attention when he was prying against the nail and I cringed while he was doing that. I've broken quite a few prybars and hammer claws when I was a framer.
 
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