So... Is Knives Emporium just getting away with it?

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I followed the Hinderer giveaway closely (also signed up for their website in return for the opportunity) and then I followed the drama that occurred immediately after. They were found to have lead us all on for months and frauded a lot of people into signing up. The incident seems to have faded away and Knives Emporium has not explained a thing. They have a classic "sorry if you were offended" on their Facebook Page and I believe in the end all this fuss will have only bumped their site up in Google ratings a few pages due to increased traffic. They call it a "mistake" and make no mention of what they plan to do about it or any admission of guilt before they plan to move on.

I know what they did is illegal, is anything being done about it?
 
What did they do? I remember i entered that contest and signed up on their website, i didn't keep up with them after i didn't win though :rolleyes:
 
I know what they did is illegal, is anything being done about it?

Bladeforums has done it's due diligence. Anything further will likely have to come from those whom feel wrong by their actions.


What did they do? I remember i entered that contest and signed up on their website, i didn't keep up with them after i didn't win though :rolleyes:

In a nutshell, they ran a supposedly bladeforums exclusive scam giveaway for 5 months to get signups to his webstore, in which the the Knives Emporium representative awarded himself the prize using a duplicate account. Refused to answer for his actions then and still refuses to take responsibility. Apparently it's their customers fault all of it happened.

Here's where it all started to unravel: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...4-Winner-will-be-announced-on-our-site/page39

Then this: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1062148-The-Hinderer-giveaway-disaster/page3

And lastly this: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1062374-Cancelling-membership-with-Knives-Emporium
 
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Hey karda what if all the members who feel wronged by knivesemporium make a case with ic3.gov. After all they did fraud thousands of members into releasing alot of information. I definately dont want a company like that with my personal info.
 
Hey karda what if all the members who feel wronged by knivesemporium make a case with ic3.gov. After all they did fraud thousands of members into releasing alot of information. I definately dont want a company like that with my personal info.

There is some info in the other thread. Not sure if anyone from TX was going to do anything or not.

Seems some missed that thread, so I think I'll give it a bump.

edit- just noticed Karda posted the link to the first GB&U thread. I've already bumped it up though.
 
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From the looks of it, his business is finished. This community is very well connected. He isn't selling fleamarket chinese knockoffs, he is selling high end knives and the people into that are enthusiasts and search around and talk about it. If you look at the site right now, everything is "sold", nothing up for sale.

Chances are, he was going to go out of business anyway. The fact that he ran several legit giveaways, and then ran a couple scams at the end (allegedly) is very telling. A few months ago I remember the posts on the FB page getting rather desperate about people signing up and using the service. I think what happened was this was a company that wasn't budgeted properly. When you start a company, you can't expect a profit within the first year or two. I think he did. I don't think he was getting the traffic in business he was expecting. The giveaways worked, but the money had dried up so he gambled with one of two faux giveaways to try to get the numbers up.

We've seen some similar situations with rather famous custom makers that have presold knives and taken payment without delivery. They aren't TRYING to rip people off, they have bills to pay, get desperate and make excuses to themselves that they'll finish their knives next, etc. It doesn't excuse the act, just like it doesn't excuse Knives Emporium's actions. But it is an easy trap for some people to fall in.

Did they get away with it? No, I'm fairly certain their business is ruined. And with the memory of this community if he tries to start a new company in the future, members will track down the information and expose him. As far as personal information, I doubt he'll use it for anything and you can eliminate the current database's entries by logging into your account on their site and putting facetious email/name/address info in.

-MJ
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he does try to come back under a different name later.
 
I have taken the opportunity to email him twice to ask that if he is truly sorry NOW is the time to change his website and take down / change the items he plagiarized from my website. He has not responded and nothing about the Knives Emporium website has changed.
 
There have always been and will always be scam artists. You would have a difficult time showing damages - even if the turnip had any money. That is a problem with paying for big ticket items up front - a small deposit is one thing but some of the vendors want full payment in exchange for a 6 or 12 month delivery date.
 
I've talked with two different Lawyers on the Forums and one other Dealer who had a similar incident. It really comes down to the question of "how much do you want to pay to try and get this resolved through the legal system"?

I was afraid that answer might be something like that. :grumpy: Really sucks, because you took the time to make a really nice looking site, only to have it stolen from you.
 
Old thread but this is completely shameful. I actually just removed my account info/changed, and requested to be removed from their system. They really give suppliers and dealers a bad name. I have never had a bad shopping experience with any forum dealer. NOT ONE.

Dishonesty at its best.
 
Old thread but this is completely shameful. I actually just removed my account info/changed, and requested to be removed from their system. They really give suppliers and dealers a bad name. I have never had a bad shopping experience with any forum dealer. NOT ONE.

Dishonesty at its best.
There is a long history that unfolded slowly, no one except a few mods realized what was going on until we started digging. This "dealer" dropped his own bar to a new depth, and cannot be compared to the dealers that genuinely do their best to earn your trust and business.
 
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