So what IS allowed on airplanes these days?

How about this?

1. Handcuff all passengers to their seats, or design the seatbelts to remain locked until the plane lands. Bathroom? Oh well, guess you have to hold it.

2. Put pistols under every seat. It would be a blood bath if anything happened, but at least the terrorist would be stopped.

3. Have the cockpit sealed air tight allowing the pilot to gas the passengers if something happens. Then everyone could wake up safe on the ground, and the hijackers could be placed in stocks at the airport they took off from as an example.

4. Arm the flight attendants with cattle prods. Longer range than a small weapon and it could double as a way of getting passengers to move quickly when boarding.

5. Remote control planes. No pilot, no cockpit, no airline workers at all, just passengers.

6. Inject each passenger with truth serum (sp?) and ask them "are you a terrorist?"

7. Plant explosives in each plane and set them to detonate if the plane goes off course. That might be bad if they had to make an emergency landing though. Oh well.

8. Offer discounts to passengers who are willing to be human shields for the air marshall.

9. Only allow one passenger at a time to be out of his/her seat. Give the flight attendants guns and instruct them to shoot anyone who gets up out of turn.

10. Have boring entertainment to put the passengers to sleep.

11. Put the passengers in sleep chambers like on sci-fi movies.

12. Install a no terrorism sign. "Please observe that the captain has turned on the no smoking and no terrorism signs."

13. Encourage all passengers to bring their weapon of choice.

14. Fit all passengers with shock collars.
 
This Monday I flew out of my capital to Singapore. They took away my twinblade shaving razor (the Gillette). I was surprised! What can you do with such a flimsy razor that even dropping it will detach the head from the handle?

When I flew back, they said it was ok to have the razor. I guess it depends on individual airport ground crew.
 
Anthony,

Guess I've been away from the forum quite awhile. I fully agree with your view, coming from the minority. But I also understand where General came from.

Guess in real life, we cannot live without 'labelling'. It is just how far you use that to make decision is what counts. How much it influence your decision and determine the criticality of it is what counts.

To Asian (sheepie), maybe Caucasioan knife lover is suspect. To Caucasian (sheepie), a slit eyed Chinese who love knife will be a suspect. The level of suspicion normally gets lighter (less) if you are the same race.

Man has always been afraid of the unknown. Other race/religion/etc. posts the 'unknown' quite strongly, the rest we all know. The same group from the same race/religion will be treated with higher level of suspicion. That is fact of life.

Nevertheless, we have to exercise all caution not to be carried away with 'labelling'. It is like knife itself: a tool that can be useful (i.e. don't hire an artist as your CEO, but higher an experienced manager instead) or harm (kill all 'black', 'women' are weak, etc.) that brings nothing but negation into our life.

I like no. 1, 3, 14, unless the pilot is the terrorist :D
Best wishes to all.

PS: Danelle, are you the one being missed by so many on the other forum? Nice to meet you on the forum.
 
Good points, I was labeling but not for racist reasons but a simple threat assesment-theory, was what I was suggesting. I know you did not call me racist...

You see, how many non-arabs or non-Muslims hijack planes on a regular basis? How many westerners have done this? I know westerners are guilty of terrible crime, but the chance in this case is measurably less. That was my admitably cruel but direct point. Find the group most likely to do an act and ban them, weither they be white Welshmen who like knives or black and blue spotted Marsians! I am not interested in judging a race as a whole, but in this circumstance common sense says until security is FAR better, you do what you must and I think such actions are needed if not desirable...

Not like I am asking to have the 'group' killed on mass or anything is it? Just common sense? Lets be honest, I bet in airports anyone with a 'swarthy' appearance is getting far more scutiny even by those people who are 110% fair, its human nature to judge. It is the actions of a certain group of people that I find distastful, not their appearance. The appearance simply points out that they belong to a different group, nothing more. If such 'men' behave in a 'normal' manner then there would not be the problems we are having now, unfortunatly a number of them (far more than is reported) do not think like westerners and in fact dislike or hate us! A number of personal experiences and acticles and TV and Newspapers so this. Is it propaganda? Or the lies that their trashy TV station that pumps out childish lies which is the propaganda? More likely a little of both in my view. However when those two planes flew in and the third into the Pentagon, everything changed.

Here is s seperate point, in a sick way I am glad this happened! Why? Because in five or ten years it may have been a thermonuke device in London,New York or L.A.! I don't know what America would have done, but I know we would have hit back with nukes...

We have perhaps 5-10 years to stop these people before they get stuff like this, they have proven the will and have show the access to chemical weapons, what is left? The ultimate weapon? Nukes!:mad:
So if I seem upset and spouting stupidity, I agree.

GOD HELP US ALL.
 
General,

Sadly, I am also, in a sick way, pleased this happened now rather than later -- you are right, nukes would have been next.

I realize that "racial profiling" is absolutely necessary for the security of the world. What I hope is that this does not spill over unnecessarily into our everyday lives, although we all have been stereotyping for some time. I'll be the first to admit that if I'm traveling through the black ghettos of Atlanta I lock my doors when I see a group of black males on the corner. I do this because of past experience (a group of black males tried to carjack me). However, if I were to see the same group in, say, the mall parking lot, I would react quite differently. In fact, I would have no reaction. And it's not just goups of people from a different ethnicity. Heck, if I saw a group of white males with shaved heads hanging out on the corner in some rural Georgia town, you bet I wouldn't stop and chat. It's all about self preservation.

Self preservation is IMHO a legitimate reason for viewing a group of people a certain way. I just think we need to be aware of when we are doing it for any other reason, for instance hate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, General, but it sounds like self preservation is your motive. Maybe it's something else, but it doesn't sound like hate.

Finally, I want to thank everyone who has posted to this part of the thread for being so calm and logical in making your points. There hasn't been any yelling or name calling, and that has made this, thus far, an enjoyable debate. There's no quicker way of ending a discussion than yelling or name calling. Thanks also to the moderators davidb415 and Spark for keeping this open, even though it may not belong in this category anymore.

-Al-
 
It does not feel like hate and I don't think its hate, its more about fear for us all and like you said, self presevation. I am sorry I 'hijacked' this thread. Poor choice of words I know!

I am also quite pleased this thread confirmed my deep down horror at my own viewpoint without turning nasty. I think as long as I believe it is wrong, but accept that such things are perhaps needed in some way then I am not a bad person, just frightened.

I think we are all frightened what may happen both now and in the future as long as hate exists on both sides. Unfortunatly they started something we mush finish.

:( :( :( :(
 
Last week I flew to Las Vegas and back. Here's what I had in my carry-on:

DTL Impact Kerambit (scratched out the words "impact kerambit". This is the thang made by Datu Kelly Worden.

Mini-Mag lite

D-locking Caribiner (good knuckle protector, brass knuckles)

30 ft of black 550 paracord (used as restraint, garrote, tie caribiner to the end, stretch it discreetly across the aisle in a zig zag pattern, betwen seats, to trip up hijackers, and they can't see it against the dark carpet in the aisles, also used to tie 'em up once you're done with them, if they ain't dead).

Drumsticks (I'm a drummer, and these HURT! Plus, when you break them, they shear along the grain into very sharp points and stab nicely) and practice pad (heavy and blunt)

A small mini-camera tripod (blunt instrument)

Car keys (many uses)

About $30 in quarters (money in the sock thing).

Lansky croc-stick sharpener (sharpen the butter knife they give you)

I "accidentally" dropped my butter knives and slid them under my seat, too, and same with my Coke cans from being served on the flights. Aluminum coke cans shear very nicely into sharp halves.

No questions asked at any point on my trip.

:D

Brian.
 
Can you make an M60 out of the toliet mech parts as well?:eek:

I have visions of Mission Impossible music playing as you do an 'A' team!:)

Are you an urban ninja?:p

Interesting post though! No disrespect intended, my sense told me that a simple pencil or pen can make a most effective weapon. He uses knives and other MA apparel but often states that such items are luxuries and you aught never depend on them. Learn to use an inoccuous item for when needed that may be all you have. A good way of living, can't always have the MOD CQD DD or my Sebi handy! :(

Will they ban pens and pencils next?:confused:
 
General,

Aren't you a funny little f*cker...;) LOL.

The idea was to see what would and wouldn't be accepted on a plane, and the possible improvised uses, that's all.

I did have a few ballpoint pens on me, too...;)

I always have the paracord, the maglite, and the impact kermabit anyway, at least, besides one or two knives. I made a belt out of the paracord, set to unravel at a moment's notice...

LOL.

Ya little sh*it...

Hee hee,

Brian.
 
Lol! Perhaps an M60 was a bit much? How about an MP-5SD or a Glock 21?;)

Your 'points' were well taken, almost anything can be a weapon, often a hand or body part! Just have to see what a 6th Dan can do...:eek:

Who needs a blade then? Well... me!:p

What is this Kermabit? Is it a MA item like a Yawra stick or Kubatan?

Cheers:cool: :)
 
According to a goofy Bastid they picked up here in Birmingham the other day (an M.D., of all things!), they DO NOT allow you to have:1. a loaded mini-revolver wrapped in foil and hidden in a can of peanuts.2. A "Nato Military" springer wrapped in foil and hidden in a shaving kit. 3. A sword/cane with 18" blade carried on the person. All the above in carry-on stuff. Neither B'ham P.D. nor the FBI were amused. BTW, a local medical center has fired his dumb ass, too, for this stunt.He talked to the press in a rambling, disjointed manner, and said that he was "trying to accomplish something, but a good thing turned bad..." or some such. I deal with the mentally ill on a regular basis, and I think this guy is a great candidate for some help! No one loves his knives more than I do, but mine all stay home from now on!! If possible, I may send one or two on ahead by UPS or USPS. Don't screw up your life by taking this situation lightly. Examples are being made, and rightfully so!:D
 
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