So what's your "Grail" knife?

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I know; I know...everyone has more than just one Grail knife in spite of the implications of the word Grail.

Contrary to the implication there can be more than one, but it should also be attainable.

On the flip side, I also consider the ultimate knife, which is describable but not necessarily attainable.

Which pattern, steel, blade thickness, grind profile, handle configuration, handle material make up the ultimate Fiddleback for usage and for your collection.

For me, I like drop points with some belly (Bushcrafter, Arete), but I like a bit more blade length. Hmmm....Bushcrafter Senior mebbe?

I have been infatuated with high-end stainless for years, but Andy's work and Mistwalker's articles have really pulled me in on O1 tool steel. I have also learned that it's more about the heat treat than anything else. Andy does a great job with both O1 and CPM 154. So the steel is basically a wash, but when both are available, CMP154 has a slight edge.

Blade Thickness: For general use, in a 4" by 1/1.25" blade, I prefer 5/32. This of course is dependent on the blade height and grind profile. The higher the grind, the thicker the material needs to be. So for a full convex with a 1.25" blade height, I may want 3/16". Same blade with a 3/4 sabre/convex then 5/32. For a Scandi, 1/8" will do (although I generally prefer convex to Scandi).

I like a thicker handle so a Skeletonized Full Tang is my preference. I really like the beefy handles that were prevalent in 2011/2012. For scales, I see collections with ruby and emerald and corn flower and PIB, and they're amazing, but I really prefer muted micartas (natural, Westinghouse, black, OD, python). Same with wood, I like Desert Ironwood and Bloodwood, but I love curly Oak, Maple and good stabilized Osage.

So, my Grail is a BC Senior with a 3/4 convex grind in 5/32 CPM 154 with a SFT Osage scales black G10 liner and pins and a white, natural or blue pinstripe. (Problem: Andy stepped back from Osage before he began making the BC Senior, so default to curly oak or antique natural micarta.)

My ultimate user: an Arete stretched to 5.25" with a full convex 5/32 CPM 154 blade, SFT, sand blasted black or OD micarta with black or natural liner and pins and anything but orange or lime pinstripe.

What's your's?
 
I'll bite. Off the top of my head... Arete 3/32, 3/4 grind, deep spalting. African Blackwood with a red liner. I'd call her the black widow, and she'd be a Bush destroying machine.

Secondly I'd love a scandi Palmer in some of Andy's sweet rare carbon fiber.

One can dream....
 
User: Camp Muk sporting a 3/16" CPM-154 blade with a tapered tang covered in rough/blasted electric orange with black liners & pins or emerald green with black liners & pins, a sharpened spine for striking a ferro rod and heavy spalting.

Grail: Bow Legged Chopper of any sort.

Heck, I would be willing to buy the steel and still buy the knife at full price for either one of them!
 
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5/32" ridiculously tapered tang BC, high grind but heavy spalting on what's left, evergreen glow-in the dark shadetree with yellow over black liners.
 
I'm pretty sure I already have mine ..

There's a few more I want to attain in BEB for my collection .. but as for a particular model/etc, my Palmer & Carver in BEB pretty much met my much wanted knives.
 
A blade forged in the firey pits of Mordor or Georgia, with some really nice bison horn or reclaimed American Chestnut. Inside the hidden tang is a tear of ancient amber and a microchip of the constitution of the United States of America. A holly inlay is scrimshawed with a wolf, and on the opposite side a wolf pup.
 
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I am really thinking outside of the box as I am sitting here in the dentist chair with laughing gas flowing before my procedure.........

Grail Fiddleback: 5/32 cpm154 Kephart or Woodsman with black micarta bolsters, amber sambar stag with black liners and blue pinstripe. tapered tang

Ultimate Grail: Loveless Junior Bear with Amber Sambar Stag and engraved hilts. (really dreaming!)
 
A upscaled bushraptor (roughly the size of a hunter) 1/8" TT 3/4 height grind, heavily spalted & fiddletextured on the remainder of the flats, antique Westinghouse bolsters over desert ironwood, antique Westinghouse liners and natural pins / bullseye.
 
A upscaled bushraptor (roughly the size of a hunter) 1/8" TT 3/4 height grind, heavily spalted & fiddletextured on the remainder of the flats, antique Westinghouse bolsters over desert ironwood, antique Westinghouse liners and natural pins / bullseye.

Interesting! I love the BR and the Woodchuck. It sounds like your Grails fits right in between. DI and antique Westinghouse sounds like a tremendous combo!
 
I feel fortunate to have scored a few of the grails that I searched and waited for. Examples would be the EO Camp Nessie, the OD Green Carver, the Evergreen Woodsman, the Blackwood Patch.

In my quest to someday acquire every Fiddleback model, there are some that I won't be picky about. But there are some that are "grail" types, waiting and searching, hoping that the specific configuration pops out of the forge and somehow I manage to shark it (I missed out on a grail this last week due to being away from the computer helping a neighbor with a flooding house) or that it pops up on the Flea Market.
 
A upscaled bushraptor (roughly the size of a hunter) 1/8" TT 3/4 height grind, heavily spalted & fiddletextured on the remainder of the flats, antique Westinghouse bolsters over desert ironwood, antique Westinghouse liners and natural pins / bullseye.


I believe the Woodchuck is close to being a Hunter sized 'Raptor Will. Are there changes to the Chuck that you'd like to see?
 
KEB in professor-in-a-blender shadetree with natural liners and white pinstripes, 1/8" O1, scandi grind. A pointy slicing machine!
 
I believe the Woodchuck is close to being a Hunter sized 'Raptor Will. Are there changes to the Chuck that you'd like to see?

Hey Nathan,
Mainly the handle style; I would LOVE a woodchuck with a HB/BC style handle -- the ergos just work better for me. I've had 2-3 PHENOMENAL woodchucks, all of which wound up on the market due to me not 100% digging the handle. I would also like to see a bit of a wider blade (I'm almost thinking somewhere in santoku territory).

None the less, a guy can dream -- right? ;)
 
I think I've bought and sold my grail about five times now.:D

However, I would really like a 5/32" Toothpick (with a full size monarch shaped handle) clad in super dark blackwood with thick, bright lime liners, mosaic pin and razor thin taper. Oh yah, crazy deep, black spalting on a 3/4 convex but almost flat grind and wearing two tone Rick Lowe pants. Is that too much to ask?
 
I do have to say, wouldnt quite fall under grail... and its honestly one i NEVER talk about. But I love love love my sole BF. it was the first FB i ever got. I picked it up from the wonderful crew at Bladeco. I couldnt decide btw this one and the BEB BC that i know Jou Fuu owns (your welcome btw!!!! :)). Maple Burl, 1/8th grind, SFT. Nothing paticularly special about it.... But my mama bought it for me, and I'm never selling it even if i really needed to.

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Hey Nathan,
Mainly the handle style; I would LOVE a woodchuck with a HB/BC style handle -- the ergos just work better for me. I've had 2-3 PHENOMENAL woodchucks, all of which wound up on the market due to me not 100% digging the handle. I would also like to see a bit of a wider blade (I'm almost thinking somewhere in santoku territory).

None the less, a guy can dream -- right? ;)

Will, now you're talking about what I call a "Foodchuck". I'd love to see one in 1/8" CPM 154 or even in O1 for that matter. The blade needs to be almost 3/4" wider with no guard. I think it could be made in 2" stock, but it would be tight.
 
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