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shotgunner11 said:
Honestly, there's the PC angle which matters to an extent. I mean, I don't really want to hand the prosecutor a home run.
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I understand the PC angle and the law, how people see things. But if you are going to be lugging around Hi-Cap mags they are going to go after you for that anyway. It hasn't been all that long since we got those back along with folding/colapsible stocks, etc...
 
I am more or less an AR guy for what you are describing. While I do not take part in political correctness, I respect your wishes and will suggest the Remington 7615. Not semi auto but it does accept 30rd AR mags. Either that or the mini 14.

Mini 14 is very reliable, and a good choice, but can be suspect in the accuracy department and the triggers normally suck.

Building an AR is not too difficult either. Cost depends on what you want. I don't think we can build a quality AR for $500, but maybe $600-$800.

Have fun searching!
 
Hey Mr. S, lots of good info here. With all the issues you have brought up you really have narrowed the pack down. My personal opinion is since you have the .22 & the shotty you need a mid to long range weapon. With the price range of $500 dollars you are going to have a hard time getting a good semi. Not to mention you said you didn't like little black guns. I would suggest going with a bolt acton 308. This is a great round & very accurate. Not to mention if you believe that fan might be sling poo soon then the round is fairly common. Several companies make good 308 rifles. I would recommend buying a Savage so you have money for a scope.
 
killstew said:
Hey Mr. S, lots of good info here. With all the issues you have brought up you really have narrowed the pack down. My personal opinion is since you have the .22 & the shotty you need a mid to long range weapon. With the price range of $500 dollars you are going to have a hard time getting a good semi. Not to mention you said you didn't like little black guns. I would suggest going with a bolt acton 308. This is a great round & very accurate. Not to mention if you believe that fan might be sling poo soon then the round is fairly common. Several companies make good 308 rifles. I would recommend buying a Savage so you have money for a scope.
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I second the opinion of the Savage in 308. I owned a 12BVSS in .308, I could shoot a hole through a golf ball at 200 Yards. Very well made and has the Accu-Trigger.
 
i'm also a glock guy and my bushmaster ar-15 drives me crazy with how finnicky it is with ammo choices.
 
Hey Shoty. Lots of great specific advice here and I think you are coming to the point where you realize a few things. The first being that a cheap gun that fits your bill might be a cheap gun that you sell soon after getting it. The second and most important is that you need to identify what purpose you want your rifle to fill. Not just self defense, but at what distance will I be shooting from? Will it be light, dark, filled with obsticles, open terrain, etc.
To me rifles fall into 2 basic categories: full length and assault. Which do you need? Do you want a gun that has the ability to shoot at 200-500 yards accurately? Shooting at this distance is a perishable skill. Do you possess the time and energy to hone your skills for that? Or do you want to be able to shoot 175-250 yards accurately? The easiest correlation here is sniper rifle v.s an M4.
If you might be using this rifle to protect your home, you see the obvious answer. You living in a urban environment, its hard to picture a realistic scenario where you need to take a long shot. Additionally, while I'm certain I'll get a few people that dont agree with me, ammo really matters. If you want to be very accurate past 300 yards, you should consider reloading yourself. If you dont, you wont take advantage of a really good full length rifle. Also, based on your input, you want a large cap magazine. Why? If you are taking your shots from a long distance, you shouldn't need more than 7 shots. Alternately, if you are close, you want a bigger mag.
I think you know what you want, but need to maybe come to PR terms with an assault rifle. They are made the way they are for many reasons.
 
jvisconti said:
- Ruger Mini 14
- Ruger Mini-30? Its a Mini 14 chambered in .308.
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Not chambered in .308 Win, 7.62x39 just like the AK and SKS.

Shotgunner, I don't know how it is in Texas but I would for sure sell the bow first, then buy the gun. You'll lose your ass trading, at least around here.
 
My Vote is for the Ruger Mini 30 ,some serious power 7.62 x 39 and is not an assualt style looking rifle if your a non goverment person. Great gun and my next purchase to avoid the over price ak off brand 47's flooding the market.
That or the Saika 12 gauge ,awe man that thing is sweet !!!!!!
 
Shotgunner, the cold, hard fact is, the best fit for what you want (semi, hi cap, cheap(er) ammo), is an AK. You should be able to get a Yugo for at or under $500. My goto rifle is a Yugo AK. Downside to them is they are heavy, since they are basically an RPK machinegun with a 16 inch barrel (meaning the front trunion is bulged, the barrel is heavier and the receiver is 1.6mm thick instead of 1mm thick). But, they do shoot good. I get 3-3.5 MOA with crappy Wolf, 2.5MOA with Winchester SP ammo.

If you want a little more PC, you can get an UNCONVERTED Saiga AK for about $350 or so.
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If you add a bullet guide (easy to do, plenty of tutorials online, about $50, you can use regular AK mags instead of the Saiga specific ones. Conventional stock and non-AK front end, changes the profile a bit.

Good steel AK mags can still be had for $10.

Another vote for Gabe Suarez videos. The AK videos are great, and to be honest, the tactics work for any rifle, not just AKs and are worth getting.

The next best choice will be the new Mini-14s, but they MSRP for over $800, mags are expensive, and I don't think you'll find a new one in the price range you want. If you buy used, you risk getting one of the older ones with accuracy problems.

Another choice is an M1 Carbine, but good ones are over $700, ones for $500 can be had, but they are post-war knockoff models that may or may not be any good.

So, I'd seriously consider an AK, or go with a .30-30 levergun or milsurp bolt gun.
 
shotgunner11 said:
Much more likely for me is a bump in the night while out camping. Happened a few times this summer, one of them was a freaking cougar 20 feet from my tent, and in a few of those cases even the mighty shotgun did little to ease the Mrs. mind.
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lets just clear the air on THIS comment. It didn't ease my mind b/c SOMEONE left it in the truck NOT the tent we were sleeping in. the truck was further then the damn big cat!

adaman04 said:
Just cleared it with the Mrs. in Rat Chat.
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nice try. looks like you trying to weasel back on to my "list."
 
SGnr, they way I read what your writing, you are paving your own road to an AK, unless your looking for a Kel-tec that takes Glock mags. You can buy an Enfield in 30-06 w/ 10 rnd stripper clips? Maybe a 762 or 545 WASR 2 or 3, with surplus ammo, its out there and cheap (545 is about $150 for 1080 surplus corrosive rounds delivered to my door in Ct.). This ammo is corrosive, so take care of the gun after use. You could always change to an AR style of rifle later on and keep the same ammo. I like AR style rifles, because its a versatile platform. Wait and see if you can find something used for less money, you have a shotgun for protection, and practice w/ the .22 and Glock for now, practice basic skills. Good luck, keep us posted on your decision.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
If you want a little more PC, you can get an UNCONVERTED Saiga AK for about $350 or so.
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If you add a bullet guide (easy to do, plenty of tutorials online, about $50, you can use regular AK mags instead of the Saiga specific ones. Conventional stock and non-AK front end, changes the profile a bit.

Good steel AK mags can still be had for $10.
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Best deal in rifles right now. :thumbup: The Saiga factory mags are 10 rounds BTW.
 
cziv said:
:rolleyes:
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My Savage 10FP shoots 1/2” @ 100, 1/4” if I do my part in good conditions, shooting golf balls at 200 isn’t a stretch at all.

Some have recommended the M1 carbine. Neat little gun, but the .30 carbine is a turd of a round in my opinion. At that point I’d be looking at pistol caliber carbines.
 
adaman04 said:
Some have recommended the M1 carbine. Neat little gun, but the .30 carbine is a turd of a round in my opinion. At that point I’d be looking at pistol caliber carbines.
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I agree, this round is not something you can use for hunting, esp out past 100 yards. For flexibility I would look at something in .308 or 30-06.

Although someone stated earlier that ammo is readily available, I have not found that to be the case around here. 30 Carbine has been very difficult to find locally, and until recently was not available anywhere on-line.
 
one of the most PC gun's out there, and highly under-rated is the tried and true lever gun. As mentioned in post #7.

For your $500 dollar price, you could get the lever gun and likely get a better set of sights. I think the buckhorn sights are nice, though they are not great long distance, they make short distance fast shooting sight picture easier to aqqurie than your A-typical long gun sights. though a custom sight arrangement from someone like These guys would greatly increase the guns function.

I plan on getting my next rifle from them.
 
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