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rlinger

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I have been sorrowful for decades as to why and how we allow state legal murder within the greatest and most well founded country in written history. What is happening before our laym eyes today is more than only state induced murder but nothing short of pure evil. This, I fear, is an apex to sociatal destructuction. I feel so helpless knowing it is so wrong. The evidence and witness for this innocent girl in Florida is so founded it is absolute evil what us as a society is doing to her and those to follow in line after her will surely suffer the same or worse soon. I pray a real man at top of Executive branch of either state or country steps forward ASAP to take her within custody. Our unelected have successfully caused our elected to bend a knee. The first in my life time I have seen so blatently one branch of federal government so snub the other two so quickly and so abrubtly, as if thumbing their nose at all the electorate. There is a deep and violent hatred within our tax payer paid for us that pay them and our survival as a society founded in God's rule of law - which BTW is what all common law is based upon. Should we continue killing the helpless out of personal and societal convenience there will soon be no one left to speak up for us when our time arrives.

RL
 
I didn't follow you other than to hear you express impathy for Mrs. Shievo. She has my compassion also. But as my terminaly ill baby brother put it the other day; You know that old addage about, every day above ground is a good one? I'll tell you, it's not true. Fred Just a thought. :( :(
 
Perhaps Fred I assume too much in all us keeping up with current events. Sad facts are sad facts but my opinion on murdering baby children and helpless hopefuls is what I was speaking of. I also have had some family tradgedy. My largest concern and probably my complaint in this thread is the determination of life or not life left in hands of the unaccountable (the judiciary of this our county). I was going to leave it there to, but you know there is this tremendous deep and ungiving absolute hatred for the God giving foundation of this country and that deep hatred has been winning. If we do not stop it pretty soon the fire in our country will turn to cinders and then the cinders will cool to dead.

RL
 
My mother always said "there's worst things in life then dying" she fought a good fight ( about 10 months after being diganosed terminal) but it came a time when she and I both were praying for the end to come. I loved her greatly and for that reason, I wanted her suffering to stop. She said it, and she lived it. When there's no hope of recovery and only pain and suffering to come, it time that our medical accomplishments need to step back and let nature take its course. Our medical advancements are like a double edged sword, we have come a great distance in preserving and maintaining the quality of life, but also at times our medical advancements can just prolong the agony and the suffering not just for the patient but the family involved as well. I seen it happen again just this last week when a good elderly friend of mine past away after 3 weeks of painful surgeries.

Bill
 
I don't keep up on current events, but I think I understand the jist of this thread.

Speaking from experience, I can say that there is aboslutely nothing worse in this world than seeing your own child suffering. You can not believe what it is like (unless you have been their) watching your 7 year old daughter laying in a hospital bed trying to breath. Trying to cough up the "junk" she is basically drowning in, but can't cough it up because it hurts too bad, even when doped up on morphine and other narcotics.

In my book, as long as there is hope or a chance that they will get better, let them fight. If death is the only option, let them go, don't make them suffer.
 
I would think that 15 years in a vegetative state would be more than anyone should have to suffer. Without extraordinary medical effort Terry Shiavo would have died long ago. Only the shell remains, her upper brain is gone, it was destroyed by lack of oxygen 15 years ago. There is nothing left that made her who she was. Her brainstem functions to make her breathe and make her heart beat, but it can't give her consciousness or motion.
 
Steve, absolutely positively wrong from the reports I have followed about her and the very reason I start this thread. She is not and has not been as you believe and have been lead to believe. That is the essence of my post. It has in this country become more important that convenience be greater than life of another. That is the down fall. Mark my word on that. Once we, and we have, place our convenience over the hopes and desires of others we are next in line to fall.

Do not place your confidence in major media veiw points. There you will not find truth.

Look at this particular case from just ONE logical angle; the guy has openly broken his marital contract. He lives with another and if you did that in Utah you'd be placed in jail - even though in Utah it could be your sincere religious upbringing to do so. No matter though he is still husband and gaurdian in Florida. He broke his contract, blatently! This girl; this women has been screwed seven ways from Sunday on this deal and we as a society are respossible for it. We are the ones that allow this. It is way beyond a disconnect from extra life support. It has by order not to allow her drink or take food even by her own choice and by her own capability. This is evil. The very ones that cry for criminals are cheering and hoping for her slow death. The Devil is alive and well in the world.

RL
 
I have asked to never under any circumstances be revived or kept alive by any means of life support in case of a major problem.

I would be pissed to no end if my family did not respect my wishes because they saw some glimmer of hope in my vegatative grin.

My Father has always made it a request that I am to help him along in his journey if he were ever to be incapacitated with no chance of getting better and being a burden to others. I will respect his wish , even if it means jail.

This is MY life. Not my wifes, not my parents. MY wishes should be what counts if I were unable to voice my needs due to sickness.
 
It appears no one yet understands the lady is not as you think she is. I thinkst I did not express myself concisely. If you are capable and want should you be judged wiithout a say? Is there a difference between just cutting off all extraordinary help and having a police line preventing you from getting help you might be able to and want to accept? Is starvation really painless and if so is there any here that really believes that pap? Life seems cheap these days. All us sleep well except she that that starves. It is so easy to believe the experts that say it is so very painless and peaceful. I say bull to that and it is a cop out, no less than aborting a little baby is a cop out.

RL
 
Not to bring you down or pander your sympathy, my 87 year old mother died, from the infasima she lived with for 20 years, a week ago Fri. When I got to the hospital they already had her on a ventalater. I had her living will in my pocket, which I presented to the staff, they followed her wishes, no ventalater. She died on Friday. Mother, I applaud you! Today I'm doing the living will with baby brother. Andy, I applaud your courage! Death comes to all of us, do not let that eventuality keep you from living large.
Fred
 
I give up. I give up here and now. You people have not followed this individual case which I base the thread upon. I give up. I mean - honest - are you gona kill someone that wants to live just because her husband says seven years after the fact (7 years) OH I remember now; she didn't want to live this way? That was after a big money settlement. Don't you people listen to AM. You ain't going to get it from newspapers or main stream media. We (WE as a country) are murdering a women that can live on her own with a little help. She is NOT vegitative. It is evil.

RL - I quit. I am taking my glove and bat home. I quit. (just kidding)
 
rlinger said:
I give up. I give up here and now.
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Dont give up!

You are absolutly right on every point you made. I am sick about whats being done to this poor woman. If you kill an animal to make a coat the whole world will come down on you but you can kill a woman because her husband has a new girlfriend (and 2 kids with her) and thats okay. Someone explain that to me.

Michael
 
Roger,
I have followed this whole thing for a number of years. Her body needs to die. She's been gone since her cerebral cortex liquified years ago.

I honestly feel that too many people who want to keep her alive are under the impression that she is in a coma. She's not. She has nothing to come back to.

I feel sorry for her husband. 15 years. Can't divorce, but he decided to move on with his life. Personally, I've got no problem with that.

Maybe it's just me and the background I've gone thru. Dying sucks but it's going to happen.

I'm not trying to change your mind. When you say you are giving up your side of the argument, to me that means you are trying to change mine.

We all have our opinions.
 
Kit Carson said:
Roger,

I feel sorry for her husband. 15 years. Can't divorce, but he decided to move on with his life. Personally, I've got no problem with that.
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Maybe i missed that, why cant he divorce her?

Michael
 
If it weren't for this "society" she would have died a long time ago. There is more to life than just a heartbeat.
 
Seems like I must have missed alot too. I think it was somewhere between "when is the bitch going to die?" and this last court decision. I'll stick with her.

RL
 
Burchtree said:
If it weren't for this "society" she would have died a long time ago. There is more to life than just a heartbeat.
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People used to die from colds, fevers, polio, diabetes, and a thousand other ailments and if it werent for this "society" they still would be.
 
Don't get me wrong -- I have no problems with modern science at all. I was making a point that if it weren't for the society that Roger sees failing, we wouldn't have the modern medicine to prolong her life in the first place.
 
I can see where its a tough decision to be faced with, but unless you are one affected personally I believe you have NO say. This women has been in this state for 15 years and none of the do gooders ever came around to take care of her in any way. Now that a request was made and carried out to let the poor women go, every do gooder in the country is voicing their opinions about how wrong it is. Thats fine and dandy, but if the feeding tube is replaced are any of these do gooders going to stay and help with the burden, care and bills. Shoot no, they'll all go back to their every day life and forget about her and those that are in limbo until this womens body lets go, which could be for years and years. Its been stated before, this person or any other with her problems would have died 15 years ago if not for help from a feeding tube, so thats life support.

My question to you Roger is, when is it time to pull the plug on life support, and would you want to burden your family this way?

Me, myself would never want to burden my wife or family, just for the sake of being alive, if my body is to the point to where I am bed ridden and can no longer sustain life without permanant assistance, I hope the courts don't step in and place longer burdens on my family, just because someone that doesn't even know me says its wrong to pull the plug.

Bill
 
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