Society Decrebid -

I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about what a persistant vegetative state is. From a couple of internet searches and some reports on the media, I understand it to be a state that is not like a come in that the person may spend long periods awake, alert, in that their eyes are open and they may be responsive to stimuli. However they are not conscious or aware. In the cases where the condition is due to organic damage, like Terry Schiavo, and has persisted for more than a year or two, it is irreversible.

It is this alert appearance that is being capitalized on by her family and by the unscrupulous who are politicizing this case for their own ends.

Her brain was damaged by anoxia and the cerebral cortex is gone. That is not to say that it malfunctions, it is not there. All that is left where her upper brain was, is spinal fluid. You can not repair that which no longer exists.

Everybody complains about the courts being too soft normally in this country. Why do you suppose there has never been even one court that has ruled that she may be rehabilitated.
 
I haven't read the majority of previous posting. I am stating here my position and my lady's. 1st of all my lady suffers from a fatal disease (MJD) which her mother and aunt died from. Helen just had a feeding tube installed.We have made a agreement if something should happen to either one of us that's within the agreement it will be our choice to continue with life. And we feel it shouldn't be anyone else's decision.
 
Senerio:

victim #1: US citizen, white, female, Christian.

victim #2. Saudi citizen, rag head enemy of the United States.

question: if both cases appear before the same judge on the same day which victim receives full Constitutional protection?

question #2: Two people refer to victim #2 as a low down good for nothing rag head SOB. Only one of the two is a US soldier. Which one is thrown in prison for ten years?

quote: "liberalisiam is a mental disorder". Michael Savage

RL
 
Little children with bottles of water placed in handcuffs and carted away for comining upon the property. Is this the utopia of starvation? Has utopia of forced (FORCED) stavation become this sacride to us? Has the utopia of forced starvation become so much more important than all our efforts to trouble ourselves to bother elect our leaders when it only takes one little creepy individual judge to cause all our elected to drop to their knees before him?

Am I nuts in realizing our Constitution has become defensless and that our founding document which brought about the war that enabled our independence and hope for all has become meaningless? If forced starvation is so euphoric then why, I wonder, does it make much difference for her to live. If the lady can't feel and is not suffering then why kill her? Could it be a matter of inconvenience? I will answer that one myself. Yes, it is a matter of inconvenience and I believe also a severe fear of being incriminated.

The culture of death is a alive and well in this country; its author Satin. He has recruited the very same that rejoice at this lady's agonizing death to scream and scratch for the saving of murderers and trees.

When was the last time your wife said to you "honey even if you take another women I will always know you have my best interest in heart, soul and mind"? You believe this guy after receiving a mega buck court settlement and cuddling every night in the arms of another woman? This is NUTS.

RL
 
Roger, I believe it's your right to your opinion, and I don't have a problem with that. I just have a different one.
 
Of course Kit and I have untold admiration for you because of your perfected craft. I look up to you in that regard. However, this is where we are now: a band of police ordered by one single unelected man can order your parents strip searched so as to insure they bring not even a single drop of water to you, regardless of your wishes. Before it becomes too late for you and I it might be wise for us to have our wishes witnessed and written. Otherwise it only takes a wish by State or another not to accept responsibilty. Parents have had Roe v. Wade to escape responsibilty. Now it seems our children will have United States v. Shievo to escape responsibilty. The destruction of a country begins with its societal decadence.

RL
 
I wasn't gonna get involved with this, but what the hell, its been a pretty good discussion so far.
Personally I beleive that the poor woman has been gone for a long time and only her body is left. I know that if it were me in that position I would want everyone to let my body go and move on with their lives.
In fact, regardless of how concious I was, if I was confined to a hospital bed and couldn't even communicate with others, I wouldn't want to live. I don't want to be in a state where I can't even be up and around doing my thing, let alone trapped in a body that doesn't work for anything at all.
Thats me though. This is someone else, and someone else's family left to make a decision.
Now as far as the government involvement. I don't like it one bit. The government has much too much control over us already without deciding whether we want to live or die. The thing of it is, her family brought the government into it. The government isn't technically deciding life or death, its deciding who the legal gaurdian is, and in this case that happens to also decide life or death because of the choices made by the parties involved. I think its wrong, and I wish her family hadn't brought it to this point. Its a family decision and should be kept within the family.
I don't know all the background on the husband, I can only pray that what he says is true and that his motives aren't what Roger believes. I'm not going to argue over that point, because I don't know the guy.
You have the parents beleiving that they are saving their daughters life, and her husband thinking that she is long gone and only her body remains. He's ready to let go of her body and the parents aren't.
Maybe he should give in. Maybe once the mind is gone, the soul has gone to a better place and her suffering has been over for a long time. Maybe it doesn't hurt anything to let the parents hang on to her body.
Maybe the parents should give in. Even if there is the most slight chance that there daughter is still there somewhere, there is no hope of bringing her back. And where she is now there is no quality of life. Maybe its better to send her on to something better.
I know the decision I would make for myself, but its not my life and not my family member. I wish they would have kept it in their family and not gotten so many people involved. Especially the courts, becuase once you start setting precedents on this kind of thing they're going to want to get involved more often.
Now as far as starvation. I think that is what makes this such a horrible case. A long drawn out death is no way to go. And the sick part of it is how they keep going back and forth. They let her starve for 6 days and then put her back on, the let her starve awhile and go through another court. Its sick. The only consolation to this is I truly beleive that her mind is gone and the true person has left the body. There is only an empty shell left that doesn't feel the hunger or suffering.
 
Matt,

It is advisable to not take info from major media. You will not be told of anything other than what they wish to not screen from you. This is far beyond the things you have been told of it. This lady has been set up for the kill. She has been deprived of both her representation and funds awarded to her well being. Another thing I want to say is we as men are charged by God and nature to protect our women and children. What is happening and the fact that our only two (TWO) elected branches of government is setting by and cowing down to the orders of an unacountable single (SINGLE) man is both an abomination and a tragidy.]

If any of you wish to hear all the sides of a report get off the TV and the newspapers and tune in the AM. A lot of you think I am nuts and an extremist. The only way you will know is to give what I suggest a try. Get off the FM while you are driving and turn the boob tube off for few weeks and tune in. It amazes me the amount of posts here on this thread that so obviuosly gets all all their info from the majors. It amazes me.

RL
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We have - we put a US soldier in prison for ten years because he hurt the poor little feelings of an enemy of our country and we say that starving an innocent lady to death is just fine she is euphoric as if on heroin becuase of the effects of FORCED starvation. WHAT IS WRONG WITH US? Why aren't we junk yard dog mad over this?

Ya know its crazy. I listen to all these professional 'experts'. Oh, it is a painless death. Takes a couple weeks and they slip into painless and blissful death. You guys over a couple or three years have come to know me a little. Let me give you an insight or a glimps at me. I have read William L. Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Riech" three times in my life. First I did when I was but about 10 years of age. The last was before turning 37 years. I saw a good people turn sheep. I also saw within that book what we are embarking upon. And all this time that Terry is suffering, all this time and every day during this time, there is constant non-stopping reports as to the worries of how well the Pope is doing or not. At the same time their is rejoicing as to the exctacy Terry enjoys as she dies. It is beyond sick. It is pure-T evil.

RL
 
Roger,
Drop the keyboard and slowly step away.....don't let this issue get the better of you.

Life will go on. Each of us need to look at the things around us and make adjustments based on what we have seen happening during this 15 year ordeal.


George, I applaud you and Helen for making that decision, and if I were in the position, I'd insure that your wishes were honored.
 
Roger,
I am going to talk as one who until help was provided very recently was, per my health professionals, "a heart attack or stroke waiting to happen", as well as one who has a dear, dear friend dying of a brain tumor.
I am feeling very mortal and very grateful for the fact that I was medically "helpable" and ,with diet and exercise, may recover completely from the need for the assistance I currently need to breathe in my sleep.
I feel for your pain caused by the situation with the lady in Tampa.
I feel sad about her and the pain her parents are feeling, as well as the many people who also have a feeling about the situation, regardles of which option they believe is best.
I have tried to look for the good that may come out of this and all I can come up with is that maybe those of us who have seen this, will create living wills so we can have input now as to what may happen to us when we can't have input later, so our families won't have to go through what Terry and her parents, and husband have had to deal with.
Maybe, just maybe, Terry's parents will find more Peace if/when God takes her Home. It isn't to me to judge, who am I?
I pray that God will not allow Terry to suffer.
I pray that God will bring Peace to Terry's parents and all those who care about what is happening in Tampa.
On this day when Christians across the world remember the sacrifice Jesus made for them, and anticipate the Wonderful Happiness of his Resurection on Easter Sunday, may God give each of us Peace in this old world where man and his inhumanity to each other happens too often.
Thank-you for caring so much. You aren't alone.
 
Kit, I will do as you suggest but only here. I will leave this thread with this: it is not the past 15 years I am concerned with but instead the years to come.

EDIT: I can not help this. I am hearing now - I mean - for Good Lord's sack - there is such a rejoicing and sense of victory being spouted over this girl's certain death. CNN and their like is absolutely estatic. This is wonderful for all us if we trust their joy. In the mean time and a day or two back CNN was so upset over polor bears being under feed because of Global warming (right!) . That was much concern to them and for a moment I worried seriously about Ted Turner's emotional state over that. As to the news front of late it seems, according to CNN and their likes, two of the balanced powers have acted selfishly. However they fail to report or remind us in their reporting that those two seperate powers that did so are the only ones elected by us. That, I believe, note worthy. They also fail to emphasise it has taken but one unelected and unaccountable to both thumb nose and also plunge his spear; and not only get away with doing both but in addition be over valued for doing so. It is amazing - at least to me. - and a doctor's opinion (vacant of victim consent) has now become sacride over that who is.

My Linda's dad who fought in the Pacific was in later life pronounced brain dead by the doctor. She raised holy cain and said ain't no way you are stopping treatment. We'll the ol'man did not play the game by the rules and ended up hurting a bunch of professional's feelings by walking the earth for another good five years, drinking and smoking the whole time.

Doctors say this and that and all I really know is the guy that finishes last in his class is still called doctor.

RL
 
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