SOG and Kershaw, I am disappointed...

If everyone disappoints you by not customizing knives for YOUR specifics, make your own. Problem solved.
 
mk.ultra said:
I know it's assisted, are you 100% sure it would be legal in Wisconsin?

"Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports,
purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a
blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other
device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or
movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor... "
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mk.ultra said:
So I can haz Leek!!?

Awesome, thank you. I thought I remember someone telling me it wasn't legal like 6 months ago when I frequented the forums more.
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Assisted-O are indeed still legal in WI. Your local Dick's Sporting Goods likely sells the Kershaw Leek and other brands of assisted-opening knives (the one near me in Madison does).

And the only time I found myself in trouble with law enforcement regarding knife-length was when a Highway Patrol Officer (female) picked me up and drove me to the nearest gas-station after my car hit the ditch during a blizzard. Male officers have let me ride in the seat next to them without a pat-down, this woman was being careful I guess - she would not allow me to remain with my vehicle and wouldn't allow me into her vehicle without a pat-down (after first asking if I was armed and receiving my knife in her hand), and she still sat me in the cage. *shrug*
 
As a cop for 23 years i can assure you the earlier posters are correct. What you are doing with the knife is far more important to the officer than 1quarter inch. Also your demeanor and what you are doing. If you are drunk and or threatening people with a knife, the knife size will be an add on or lesser included offense. In those circumstances it will be the least of your problems. If you are doung something or hanging out where you shouldnt be or not complying with an officers instructions and he just has to have some reason to bust you for something and uses your knifee found in a frisk then any defense attorney will get an assisted opener dismissed. So yes, you can has a leek.
 
nufdes said:
I have the Kershaw Clash, just a cheapy 30$ knife and it said it was 3 in. so i EDC'd it for along time...... UNTIL i measured it myself and and its 3 and 1\4 in. that is one knife from kershaw that i thought is under 3 in. but its not
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kershaw's website lists the clash blade at 3 1/4 " long
 
Do you really think a cop will get out his precision calipers and measure your blade to get you for an extra 1/8 inch? I've heard that most just compare the blade length to the width of their hand. Personally I wouldn't worry about the knife laws.
 
Tsujigiri said:
Do you really think a cop will get out his precision calipers and measure your blade to get you for an extra 1/8 inch? I've heard that most just compare the blade length to the width of their hand. Personally I wouldn't worry about the knife laws.
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A cop doesn't have to get out calipers. he/she can "think" the blade is too long (unlawful) and the burden of proof is on you to prove that it's legal. If you keep out of trouble in life, the chances that an 1/8" will be an issue, are slim.
 
Tsujigiri said:
Do you really think a cop will get out his precision calipers and measure your blade to get you for an extra 1/8 inch? I've heard that most just compare the blade length to the width of their hand. Personally I wouldn't worry about the knife laws.
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Because all cops have standard width palms.
 
mk.ultra said:
I am currently trying to test out some different brands and get a quality knife from each that's legal in my area (3" blade, no autos, isn't this true for most states?). Currently have the Benchmade Mini Griptilian, Spydero Delica 4, Boker Trance, and just got a Cold Steel Mini AK-47 (First impressions: AWESOME).

I am gravely disappointed with Kershaw and SOG's offerings. Soooo many awesome blades I want but they need to go put an extra ONE EIGHTH INCH on the Skyline. The Leek just HAS to be auto. My only decent option is the Zing which seems kind of cheap...

Would buy the Aegis if it weren't assisted. SOG also came out with a Trident Mini, and get this, they made the blade length 3.15"...wtf were they thinking adding .15" to make it in illegal in many states?!?!??

Sorry for the rant, just confused as to why companies don't offer more blades that would be legal in many states.
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Chicago has a 2.5" maximum allowed blade length. What I did on a few of my smaller folders that were just over the 2.5" limit was reprofile/grind (whatever term you prefer) them to make them carry-legal. While that may not be an option for you, that is, to modify a knife you really like, it could be. Here are pics of three knives I modded so I could legally carry them in Chicago:


Boker Plus modded:

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Ripple 2 modded:

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Cold Steel Mini-Lawman modded:

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morrowj_98 said:
Because all cops have standard width palms.
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You wouldn't believe how many people I encounter that actual believe "smaller than a palm's width" makes a knife legal. I tell them the width of a 5' 3" woman's palm and that of a 6' 4" man are completely different sizes. They usually have the "I never thought of that" look on their face.
 
mk.ultra said:
Ya because I actually called them stupid. All I said was that I was disappointed, which is no longer true because I can have a Leek :)
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His point was your thread title unfairly reflects negatively on the manufacturers you mentioned. Kershaw and SOG are not responsible for your understanding local knife laws.
 
mk.ultra said:
I really don't find the Half Ton aesthetically pleasing...

I'd just think that they would want to cater to unfortunate peoples' knife laws, they could sell more that way........
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Why cater primarily to "unfortunate people"? That makes no sense to me. What about people that live in states that have Consitutional Carry rights (like in AZ)? When a knife designer creates something, I doubt the first thing that comes to mind a "Cha-Ching $$$, I'm rich biatch (in a Dave Chappelle type tone)". There are plenty of knives at the 3" blade limit. As far as the leek is concerned, you could very easily remove the spring on a Leek, and grind down that pesky 1/8", and drill a slight detent in the tang to conform to the law. :rolleyes: :thumbdn:

mk.ultra said:
I know it's assisted, are you 100% sure it would be legal in Wisconsin?

"Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports,
purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a
blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other
device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or
movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor... "
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If that is the law, did you notice that it said nothing about touching the blade? That is bascially how a Leek works. The blade is not a button, it's not the handle, it's not a spring you touch, it's not gravity magic, or any other sort of voodoo. By that definition, every knife store on the planet that has ever shipped to Wisconsin is in violation of the law. I'd just join Knife Rights and move, in addition to cutting out the melodramatics.
 
mk.ultra said:
"Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports,
purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a
blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other
device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or
movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor... "
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to me i read it as, any knife that can be opened with a flick of the wrist... its a movement? i dont think all cops would bother you, but you might run into officer dick.
 
Tsujigiri said:
Didn't say it was an accurate way to measure blade length, just that I've heard that some cops do this.
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i EDC'd my svord peasant last night (and used it at work). i showed it to a few of my co-workers. one guy who i let hold it, the first thing he did was measure the blade to his palm and ask if it was legal. point of the story is: as crazy as it sounds, some people actually think a "palm" test is valid.
 
I have held a zing, and to me the plastic handles felt kinda cheap. Of course, for $30, it is a cheap knife, so no real disappointment there.
 
I agree with everything thats been said but there are some great sub 3" kershaw such as the Scallion. Sog also offers the Flash series in various sizes which I beleive come in a sub-3" model. I don't think you should be disappointed at certain companies since they DO offer legally sized folders.
 
mk.ultra said:
I know it's assisted, are you 100% sure it would be legal in Wisconsin?

"Whoever manufactures, sells or offers to sell, transports,
purchases, possesses or goes armed with any knife having a
blade which opens by pressing a button, spring or other
device in the handle or by gravity or by a thrust or
movement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor... "
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These words sound very similar to CA's switchblade law. Assisted openers don't qualify as autos here because there is no button or mechanism that does ALL of the opening for you. Instead, you have to push on part of the blade (flipper is still part of the blade) to get it to deploy. By default, the knife wants to stay closed until you overcome the spring which is holding the blade INSIDE THE HANDLE. On the other hand, autos are trying to open by default until the button is pressed which frees it.

That's the definition here in CA. I'm not sure about WI, but from the wording you provided, it sounds very similar.
 
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