SOG Bowie S1

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SubaruSTi

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Hello, I recently purchased a SOG Bowie S1 and was wondering how hard it is to keep rust and tarnish off of this knife. And also I'm wondering if every metal part like the butt cap and guard are also the same steel. And would i be able to take it camping for a week and not have to worry about re oiling/cleaning it with alot of use maybe even getting it wet?
 
I personally have found the exposed edge and even the buttcap to rust extremely easily. I store it with a light coating of oil on all metal parts, and still find slight slight rust when I take it out. Unfortunatly I cant help with your questions regarding the type of steel on the buttcap, but if you were to get it wet, I definatly dont think that you could go a week with no touchups.
 
It really should do fine if not neglected or exposed to conditions which are adverse to knives.

I'd not store the knife in its leather sheath. Either store it in the cardboard sleeve it came in, or make a cardboard sleeve yourself.

Like already stated, keep it clean and oiled. TufCloth rocks! If you have a lot of knives, get yourself several packages of it and treat all your knives. Actually, one package will do well for quite a while, but always great to have backups.

I've seen older model Bowies that have not rusted and seen some newer models that have. It comes down to care.

Now, the carbon steel is worth all the care. Its performance is outstanding to other knives.

But, it should be said that rust does not diminish the knife's performance. It is only cosmetic. And if you use the knife, it will likely receive other cosmetic blemishes much larger than any potential rust.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I've been keeping the knife in the sheath and inspecting it everyonce ina while and its looking really good no rust or anything. i just wipe it down and re oil it every 2 weeks or so. It dosnt get much use but its still well cared for.
 
I have a couple of SOG's with carbon steel blades (including the Bowie).

Never a problem !! It does get a touch of rust once in awhile if I don't pay attention .... nothing to worry about.

Cheers,

Carl
 
Ron Andersen said:
It really should do fine if not neglected or exposed to conditions which are adverse to knives.

I'd not store the knife in its leather sheath. Either store it in the cardboard sleeve it came in, or make a cardboard sleeve yourself.

Like already stated, keep it clean and oiled. TufCloth rocks! If you have a lot of knives, get yourself several packages of it and treat all your knives. Actually, one package will do well for quite a while, but always great to have backups.

I've seen older model Bowies that have not rusted and seen some newer models that have. It comes down to care.

Now, the carbon steel is worth all the care. Its performance is outstanding to other knives.

But, it should be said that rust does not diminish the knife's performance. It is only cosmetic. And if you use the knife, it will likely receive other cosmetic blemishes much larger than any potential rust.
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For the cost of the mentioned knife, why not purchase a Fallkniven S1 for around 100 bucks.....the steel is much more easy to care for, and the convex grind is a dream to sharpen.

I dont know why people buy knife by hype and marketing trap..........they gave too much power to illusion, better substance than cheap talk.

Cheers,



Juice
 
But its not all cheep talk. Its a great knife but the sheath and the way it will rust sucks. its a real tank!
 
Juiceseller
Dont disrespect the Bowie S1
a OUTSTANDING knife in my humble opinion :D
 
Juiceseller said:
..........better substance than cheap talk.
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Hmmm... 2 weeks, 15 posts, and already the marketing expert... on Bokers too apparently... :eek:

Spyderco does make some excellent knives, as do Fallkniven. However, if you had done the tiniest bit of research... you'd know why SOG did the knfe that way... just a thought...:rolleyes:
 
Bobby B said:
Hmmm... 2 weeks, 15 posts, and already the marketing expert... on Bokers too apparently... :eek:

Spyderco does make some excellent knives, as do Fallkniven. However, if you had done the tiniest bit of research... you'd know why SOG did the knfe that way... just a thought...:rolleyes:
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Hey Boss, I am not here to dis SOG or Boker, as a former Boker fan I speak well based on my experience with them. Their line of MAGNUM knives just would not stand up to vigorous use and if you have the time and like to spend it sharpening, well............you got yourself a deal!

Also, 440C steel is what they still use in most of their knives and they charge the same amount or more money.......like the AK-47 knife costs more than the Spyderco Para. Let's not kid ourselves here

In case of SOG, I read some of tests done on their products..........one is the SOG vision folder. Cliff Stamps broke that knife in few pieces by doing simple test. I know some of you saw that, just google Clift Stamps and see.

That is an example of choosing look over substance in extreme case, LOL



Juice
 
Yo, Juice, anyone can break a folder. They are not meant for super hard use. Some are stronger than others, but if you need to do any work that might break a folder use a fixed blade.

As for Sog fixed blades, if you have ever seen their Bowie/Trident series you'd know why people like them. I have an A1 but I also have the Trident. It is an incredible handling knife. It may not be tougher than the a1, but it penetrates better in soft materials, which was it's intent in the first place:thumbup:

Also at 0.28 inches thick lateral strength isn't much of a problem. Tip strength is low due to such a thin profile, a-la randall #1, but it's a tradeoff.

Really, if you want tough, then instead of paying so much for a rubber handled A1, why not go with a Ranger RD6. It is cheaper and stronger.:thumbup:
 
I would imagine that almost everyone here on BF has seen that link. I think that anyone can break the blade on a folder by prying or hitting it with a piece of wood and using it as a baton.

You give me a hammer or wood baton and a box of quality brand name knives and a slab of concrete to hammer on, and I will give you a box of broken blades/handles in short order. :rolleyes:

Sure, some brands may last for 2, 3 or 4 or 5 hits, but eventually I will break them, straights or folders, it does not matter.

I am not just standing up for SOG, I say this about almost all folders I know of, with the exception of a few, and even these can eventually be broken.

There really is nothing shown here except that you, me, or my 6 year old grand son could break many different models/brands of knives using them as a prybar or hitting the blade with a hammer, metal pipe, or what ever may be handy.

Believe me, you are not the first to show this link, nor will you be the last, these links have been shown many times on many different forums.

There are probably hundreds of threads on BF and any other knife forums that discuss this type so called "testing" in detail.

Do these testers say that if they had used these many brands of blades in a "normal manner", like cutting etc., that they would most likely still be using them today for that task ?

I don't think so...........:rolleyes:

In fact, I think some one should get one of each brand made and line them up and bust them with a hammer or by prying and take pictures of the whole thing and maybe once and for all everyone would see that ANY knife can be broken using these methods.

Actually, maybe that is what is slowly being done with these so called test, eventually all brands will be broken, and once and for all these "test" will be done. :D

And then next month someone else will come in and show these links as evidence to back up their claims, which is ok by me. :D

And it's not just a SOG, just pick a brand, it can be broken using these type methods eventually.



Have a wonderful holiday ! :D



Robbie Roberson;)
 
Juiceseller, I forgot to tell you I have carried a SOG Night Vision for 3 years as EDC and it has never failed to cut what ever I tried to cut with it, I just don't try to cut cinder blocks or hammer it with wood batons.............3 years and still tight as it can be............and razor sharp. :D

Robbie Roberson ;)
 
Juiceseller said:
In case of SOG, I read some of tests done on their products..........one is the SOG vision folder. Cliff Stamps broke that knife in few pieces by doing simple test.
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I know that Cliffie has a small following of devote followers and a modest following of ignorant followers, but I don't know many true knife enthusiasts who would consider Cliffie's writings as anything other than absurd fiction (or maybe some type of curiosity). I would caution you against calling what the Clifster does as a "test" (at least publicly...and especially not here in the SOG Forum). As I've said before, ANY knife can be destroyed...all it takes is the will to do so (and Cliffie had/has the will, depending on the brand). All it takes to impress the weak with razzle-dazzle are a few years in college and wrapping ones writing up with "scientific" jargon.
 
Juiceseller said:
Cobalt, I think it was a simple test.....if you try the same test on the SERE folder. Me think the SERE would hold up a little better............is that "tactical" knife is about?

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/vision.html\


Juice
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Juice, I understand what you are saying. But the knife broke with what I consider is much more force than it should be put under IMO.:thumbdn:

Ok stab the Sere 3/4 of an inch into knotted wood and pry laterraly with it:thumbup: I think you will find that a lot of so called fixed blades fail that test as well( I know of one for sure). Battoning at full force on a folder? Never.

I think you need to be looking into fixed blades, because you are not likely to find a folder that can repeatedly take that kind of abuse.

Cliff tested the knife to destruction to see it's limits. He went way beyond it. It is still a great folder. It is not a prybar or even a stout fixed blade it is a FOLDER

If youread the rest of the test, the knife did well. It cut and stabbed very well which is what a folder does.

Cliff's biggest problem in tests is that he does not offer a summary or his final opinion and the review is way over many people's heads so they read snippets and come away with the wrong idea. Then others get mad at him for his review which was interpreted wrongly. He needs to compare more, ie, put several other folders under that stress. He also needs to give final opinions and summaries.

Ron, Cliff honestly believes he's doing the right thing and I think he does mean well. He just needs to improve his testing writeups so results can be interpreted better. :thumbup:
 
Ron said above, "All it takes to impress the weak with razzle-dazzle are a few years in college and wrapping ones writing up with "scientific" jargon."

Hmmm, that's how I make my "living" !! I are an engineer !! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Cheers,

Carl

p.s. sorry, I couldn't resist......
 
Cobalt said:
Ron, Cliff honestly believes he's doing the right thing and I think he does mean well. He just needs to improve his testing writeups so results can be interpreted better. :thumbup:
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You might be right, but until he rids himself of both bias and arrogance, he'll likely retain his reputation.
 
Ron Andersen said:
You might be right, but until he rids himself of both bias and arrogance, he'll likely retain his reputation.
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I have to admit not having read every single review or thread that Cliff is involved in, but I have found that he has no bias. He abuses all knives equally:eek:

As for Arrogance, no more than the knifemakers he hashes it out with, all the time. :eek:
 
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