SOG Fusion Jungle Primitive Destruction Test Video Completed.

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SOG Fusion Jungle Primitive.

The jungle Primitive did not do very well overall It was fairly tough and lasted a while but it’s performance in Most every area was bad except for chopping.

The Saw does not work. The serrations grab instead of cutting well. The plain edge cuts but requires a little pressure and effort.The handle is very though. the toughest synthetic handle I have beat on. So far, only the Bushman handle proved stronger.

The main drawback on this knife is the saw it just won’t work unless you’re cutting something 3/8ths of an inch thick. The saw also of course weakens the blade and can’t Take hammering but I tried anyway.

The videos are in 8 parts 1hr 26 minutes. Posted at www.knifetests.com

Enjoy the videos, they were made for you.:thumbup:
 
Thanks. Excellent stuff, a very comprehensive destruction test.

I think that horrible looking thing seems to want to be a do-all survival knife but is rather poorly executed both in materials and design. I have to say that I could not bare myself to carry that thing around. It's just that ramboish looking.


Some observations if I may:
- sure puts all that Strider testing/beating to a better perspective...
- I think you made good observations on those serrations and the limb saw!
- In my opinion, the blade tip broke a little easy for such a thick(I assume) and wide blade.
- the angle scale was a good addition
- suggestion: if you could do the wood batoning before any bricks. The edge was pretty messed up after the brick and sure lowered the performance at that point.
- Also, there was no garden chair? Is it dead?


And some questions to anyone with knowledge to answer:
- how thick is the blade?
- why 420 stainless? For low cost? For 60 bucks is the 420 really the only sensible alternative?


So in conclusion of what I got out of the vids is that SOG should go back to drawing board (steel, serrations, saw, handle) and design a better knife.

Thanks for your work.
 
Your right. I should have batoned the blade first before I hit the brick.
It was still able split one 4x4 with all the damage.

The chair is dead. The Strider did it in. I am running out of stuff to destroy.

I don't know why SOG used 420 when there are many knives such as K-bars that are made of 1085/1095 that sell for the same price as the Jungle Fusion. I guess only SOG can answer this question.

The blade thickness at the widest point is 0.150" SOG does not list this on their site.


Looking back at the other tests this knife was not very durable. I didn't put anywhere near the beating on it as I did with the other knives. The Saw was responsible for my lack of aggression.
 
420 is tough for a stainless, of course .150" hollow ground stainless isn't going to take too much abuse compared to saber ground stainless or flat ground tool steel at near twice the thickness. The edge did about as I would have expected, and that saw really is a weak point all around for that knife. Maybe SOG will fix it up with some re-engineering. Very good point raised about blade flex and handle comfort when chopping.
 
noss4 said:
SOG Fusion Jungle Primitive.
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Enjoy the videos, they were made for you.:thumbup:
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hi noss4,
Excellent test. I have read before that the saw on the back of the "survival knives" is just a gimmick and I am glad that know I know for sure.

I wonder if you could add some tests like peeling an apple and cutting a tomato in the future? The reason is that two knives with the same thickness but different geometry can perform quite differently. Most of the time I use my knifes for food preparation, thus I would like to know if particular knife is any good for general use before making my purchasing decission. If, on top of being a good slicer, a knife can also chop concrete all the better :)
 
Thanks for the test NOS! I picked one of these up for $30 about a month ago, and wrote you asking what you thought of it. I've since picked up an RTAK II (great 1st half on that by the way, looking forward to the destruction) and a Ranger RD7 (I think that would be a great knife to test, indestructable). Anyways, I guess that overall, the SOG did okay for the price that I paid for it. Definately not going to be something that I count on when it comes to survival though - the RTAK or Ranger will be on my hip when I go to the woods! Thanks again for another great test, looking forward to more!
 
vvk: Yes I will add a tomato and try to peel an apple. This will make a good addition to the tests.Of course these are not paring knives but I will give them a try.




I will test the Jungle primitive F03P with no saw and a solid back at a later date
to see if this one can hold up better.

I have a saw on a old WWII bayonet that works fairly well. The teeth configuration closely resembles a modern Sawzall blade.
 
From what I have experienced the saw teeth on many survival type knives are really only capable of making notches, not really sawing through things. The Buck Fieldmate has square notches for cutting and they will saw through things or make notches quickly. I am sure there are other knives with the same saw config. as the fieldmate.
 
Sort of off topic but I'd like to see the Condor Bowie (made from 420hc) "reviewed" in this manner & see how it compares to the SOG. I bet it is significantly tougher because of the grind & the edge design...
 
James Green Dragon said:
Sort of off topic but I'd like to see the Condor Bowie (made from 420hc) "reviewed" in this manner & see how it compares to the SOG. I bet it is significantly tougher because of the grind & the edge design...
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Good call, I have been looking at those as they are very reasonably priced. I havent picked up one yet and would also like to see a test done on one.
 
Noss,
good test so far. I am viewing as I write. Good to see how effective saw backs really are. I had an expensive sog that had them and they did not appear to be any good. I think your testing has improved considerably.

Here are some suggestions so far:

When you do the flex break test measure it to see how far the blade flexes before it gives, I would love to have that kind of info. Also pick a point from the tip which you will flex all blades. I would pick 1.5 inches from the tip as the point I would clamp down on the blade. This will give some repeatable data for others. :thumbup: Do what you did later with the blade flexing before you break it at the 1.5 inch mark. This will be good info.

The knife was purposely made soft to add toughness to a non tough stainless steel. The killer for the poor knife was the saw back. Any time you make sharp changes in direction within any steel you creat high stress areas and cracks will always start there. Didn't take long for this one to go when you hammered on it, 9 hits, which is worse than all the others. Another reason why High chrome stainless steels are not meant for hard use like that.

good destruction video.

Don't forget to test the Colt Jungle machete. It is very similar to the SOG except no Sawback and it has soft kraton handles.
 
Good test! I was tempted to buy this knife (it does look kinda cool in a retro 80's Rambo kinda way) its very cheap, 49$ Canadian at Lebaron. But now i think i'll pass. You just saved me 49$. Now I can get 2 or three moras or maybe that buck woodsman i've been wanting.
:)
 
Cobalt: I'm not fond of saws myself even if they work or not. The Saw on this knife is simply eye candy. It will make notches but that is about it.

Thanks for the suggestions I will consider all. I did add the Scale on the flex test
However it is hard to see the reading sometimes before the knife breaks. I will try and fix this problem.
 
yes, saw the scale. Would have been cool to see it on the initial flex and break of the tip. I think you had about 1/2 inch of the tip in the vice. or it looked that way.
 
Cobalt said:
yes, saw the scale. Would have been cool to see it on the initial flex and break of the tip. I think you had about 1/2 inch of the tip in the vice. or it looked that way.
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I'm going to fix this problem so everyone can see the scale and the break
at the same time. Your right I had about a 1/2 inch in the vice. I measured the
broken tip.
 
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