Some help with 52100 HT please.

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I started using 52100 for the first time after hearing so many good things about it. I ground out 5 of my best grind jobs to date. The other day I followed the directions of others for refining grain(as Follows)

1650-10 minute soak, cool to black
1550-10 minute soak, cool to black
1450-10 minute soak, cool to black

I then ground off the decarb.
Today I went to harden. Blades in the oven, ramp to 1475- 10 minute soak. Quench in warm (120) Canola. When I opened the oven, I thought the blades looked cool, but I've been doing stainless lately so I just chalked it up to be the higher temps of stainless. I ground the tangs clean with 120 grit belt, and did an Rc. Rc ranged from low 30's to mid 40's. The smaller blades had the higher Rc's. I checked the Rockwell with test blocks and came up fine. I screwed up something.

I talked with a friend, he recommended bumping up to 1525. I did another HT. 1525-10 Minute Soak quench in the same Canola. Same clean-up after quench. This time Rc of mid 40's to low 50's. Again the smaller ones were higher.

I figure third times the charm. The blades go back in the oven, this time 1475-10 minute soak, then 1550-15 minute soak. Quenched (should mention time out of oven into oil is 1-2 seconds), and cleaned up. This time I just grabbed a file and checked the blades, the file bit into tang with out an issue.

What am I doing wrong, or what is wrong? At first I was thinking my Rockwell was off, but the file test ruined that theory. My next thought is that the oven is off. It's less than 1 year old, and have had no HT issues in the past.

Am I missing some major step! Did I accidentally get 1018 instead of 52100? I'm just lost!

Any help is appreciated.
 
I started using 52100 for the first time after hearing so many good things about it. I ground out 5 of my best grind jobs to date. The other day I followed the directions of others for refining grain(as Follows)

1650-10 minute soak, cool to black
1550-10 minute soak, cool to black
1450-10 minute soak, cool to black

I then ground off the decarb.
Today I went to harden. Blades in the oven, ramp to 1475- 10 minute soak. Quench in warm (120) Canola. When I opened the oven, I thought the blades looked cool, but I've been doing stainless lately so I just chalked it up to be the higher temps of stainless. I ground the tangs clean with 120 grit belt, and did an Rc. Rc ranged from low 30's to mid 40's. The smaller blades had the higher Rc's. I checked the Rockwell with test blocks and came up fine. I screwed up something.

I talked with a friend, he recommended bumping up to 1525. I did another HT. 1525-10 Minute Soak quench in the same Canola. Same clean-up after quench. This time Rc of mid 40's to low 50's. Again the smaller ones were higher.

I figure third times the charm. The blades go back in the oven, this time 1475-10 minute soak, then 1550-15 minute soak. Quenched (should mention time out of oven into oil is 1-2 seconds), and cleaned up. This time I just grabbed a file and checked the blades, the file bit into tang with out an issue.

What am I doing wrong, or what is wrong? At first I was thinking my Rockwell was off, but the file test ruined that theory. My next thought is that the oven is off. It's less than 1 year old, and have had no HT issues in the past.

Am I missing some major step! Did I accidentally get 1018 instead of 52100? I'm just lost!

Any help is appreciated.

Confirm the oven is calibrated correctly. Your process looks fine. The other possibility is mislabelled steel. If the oven checks out, send a piece back to your supplier and have it tested,
 
Are you sure you ground off all the decarb? 1650 makes a lot of it on an unprotected blade. Grind it deeper and make certain that you are past the decarb and test it again.
 
Check in order for
Decarb
Temperatures (i bet this....you also had visual hint)
Steel
 
Yep, what Stezzan, Jason, and Warren said. Your HT looks right on.

Decarb first culprit, then temps.
 
You can verify your oven temp by melting rock salt.Stacy offered this tip a while back.Good luck Lu.
 
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