Some questions on newest Mil-Over blades

NSN=National Stock Number

I just looked at Chiefs past posts here on the forum. I'll leave it you guys to judge. Most of his posts are either critical of Busses, or entering contest or pass around. Interesting that he wants to "Try" infi on a passaround, but if you look back, he's definately no newbie to infi and has sold/traded/recommended/criticized Busse's before.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4480577#post4480577

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4480558#post4480558

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4404329#post4404329
This one is interesting.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4372652#post4372652
And my favorite!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4327160#post4327160


I didn't even have to use my TS decoder ring to find that info, just looked at his first page of recent posts!
 
I was thinking about this - I scored from pretty far out. My email stamp was a good 15 minutes after the GO here. So it's pretty obvious that the shop is filling orders, not just getting rid of stuff they have lying around. I'm not complaining - the Mean Street and AD are popular patterns that won't otherwise come up in rotation for quite a while. Plus, I imagine that doing a larger run keeps costs down for whoever requested the original order. (somebody already made that point). That seems to be in line with the new production protocol - take lots of orders, then make enough blades/handles to fill them in a large batch, instead of having to grind eight different patterns a day. From a security standpoint, it might even make sense to have these widely available, so the blade can't be identified with a certain unit. It takes away a bit of the prestige, but the "secret" is safe in the open, rather than the complete secrecy that didn't work so well with the S.O.U.L. (divorce resulted in one being posted on eBay).

Anyway, do colors really matter that much? Muddies would seem to be discrete on tan camo, Sage with green camo, but are there lots of situations where 100% color coordination is essential? A pair of fancy sunglasses would stick out more than a mismatched knife handle. Some operation requiring a bit more discretion than regular battle rattle, but less than a ghillie suit?
 
Actually, from a lot of the overrun posts I've seen the a good bit of the knives seem to be going to foreign armies which just makes me jealous. Although, sage green looks awfully close to foliage green...... Coincidence? Who knows. I have been looking for military busses high and low to no avail so far. :( I might have a lead though........
 
Thats funny that someone assumed that just because a knife did not have a NSN number it could not be a MILTARY overrun. It could be going to almost any military in the world not just the US. I know that a scandinavian army is using some Busse knives and their is a canadian engineering unit in afganistan with custom Swamprats. It's not like Jerry has much competion when it comes to making small runs of extremly high quality knives. I would not even be surprised if more military contracts come from other countrys than the US.
Although because of the war it is a great time to be a manufacturer of AR15 or M4 parts and I imagine it is the same with combat knives.
 
If anyone is unhappy to have ordered a "mil overrun" and now feels that he has been duped by marketing hype because extras may yet be made, I will be happy to take his order off his hands at the original Busse price, since I didn't get in. I will keep your name confidential, so that you are not publically embarassed by being deceived. (Dang, I wish I could use that banned smiley here.)

If someone hasn't ordered, then what in h*** are they bitching about?

If I can continue to get limited run knives at the really great prices offered, then please continue to "deceive" me, Jerry! Please!
 
Chief said:
Pure marketing hype, no NSN. If they were really military overruns, they already have been produced and shipping instead of 6-8 weeks from now.

If Jerry was making some spec ops knives, he wouldn't know where they were headed, he has no "need to know". I had a Top Secret Crypto clearance for over 24 years and "need to know" is one of the basic tenets of allowing access to any classified information.
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I would agree, unless it is for another countries military.
 
winmagfrog said:
Alright bud...

I'll be happy to take this to pm's with you to keep it civil on the forum.
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Why continue to post in a derogatory manner after you offer to take it to PMs? (answer via e-mail, buddy)

I stand by my posts, 100%. I only own small Busse knifes (nothing bigger than an HD) but no big choppers and want to experiance why folks prefer them to hatchets and saws. For the passaround I guarentee an honest appraisal / comparison with professional quality pictures (which I haven't seen so far).
 
I think Chief's original post is a fair assessment when ordering anything for the U.S. military through the supply chain and to jump all over him because it looks like he is criticizing Busse knives is unfair.

Who is to say the knives made by Busse Combat are for the U.S. military anyway?
 
I really don't know, or care, if these are actually extra knives ordered by our military. Personally, I think Jerry IS a marketing genius. He knows how to sell knives...Have to give the man credit for that.

However, I buy his knives because they are well made and offered at a very fair price. That is, until they hit BladeForums "For Sale" section. :eek:
 
Guys, first off, remember we are all on the same side
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Secondly, I think that both Chief and Wimmafrog are posting from their experiences. I trust and respect both of them and both of the observations that they have given. I have had dealings with Chief in the past and he has always been more than fair, honest and a man of integrity. I also greatly respect Wimmafrog and would trust him without question, I also consider him a man of great integrity.

Here is where I think there is a difference in opinion. Chief is speaking from his inside historical knowledge of the workings of the Government and their procurrement, and from an outside observation of Busse. Wimmafrog is speaking from a current knowledge of the workings of the Government and from personal dealings with Busse Combat and how they deal with the Military.

I think that people that have direct personal knowledge of some of the workings of Busse Combat see what goes on. Unlike many other companies out there Busse Combat is not one to "toot their horn" on the subject of Military contracts, but there are a few people on this board that see what goes on and they do know what the real story is. While Jerry offers us pieces that have been associated with Military contracts he doesn't publicly say "look at me and my Military contracts"

I don't think there was any malice intended in anyone's comments, however, each of us posts from our own point of view. This differs greatly from person to person.

And lastly, has anyone considered that this overrun may be big because it was begun under a Military contract and later cancelled or that it was started without final numbers of how many pieces would be needed so the shop estimated high in order to get started on the project? (this is just an opinion and I have no knowledge that this is true)

Of course I may be completely wrong on all of this ;)
 
I want to point out something else.

This last Ganzaa was never stated to be "overrun" just "EDC Milganzaaaa".

Looks to me like a military styled knife in edc size was being sold, I know that we have seen offers of "overrun" knives in the past, but this wasn't one.

I think this should have been called a "cash register" Ganzaaa or a flood sale, as it looks like enough of these babies sold the other night to put another building up at the Busse ranch, and also hose down the inflated prices over on the exchange.

Also, as long as Busse is offering a discount to active duty soldiers I am happy to pay a few bucks more to help keep their costs a little lower.
 
If your business is making a batch of one product and you have another place you can sell it, you would be a fool not to make as many as you can sell.
In economics it's called "Economy of scale"

I am glad to get a shot at these blades because they cost so much for an original run that I would never be able to bring myself to use it!!!

From what I have seen the Boss does not need to throw in adjectives to sell his knives!!!!:D

I certainly don't believe there was any shortage for this one. He probably just took our orders from the start and added them into the Mill run?
 
Chief said:
Why continue to post in a derogatory manner after you offer to take it to PMs? (answer via e-mail, buddy)

I stand by my posts, 100%. I only own small Busse knifes (nothing bigger than an HD) but no big choppers and want to experiance why folks prefer them to hatchets and saws. For the passaround I guarentee an honest appraisal / comparison with professional quality pictures (which I haven't seen so far).
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Alright, here goes my attempt at being nice.

I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change mine. My posts after the PM offer weren't derogatory, they only linked to your old posts. If I was running the pass around, I'd exclude you, as I believe it is for those that haven't tried Busse before. As to you never having a chopper, I have to wave the BS flag.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353044
The NO-e is no axe, but it's no pocket knife either!

If you want pro photos, look through this thread:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352682
There are some very good shots.:)

I haven't received any emails from you. The link in my profile is correct, and I will respond privately when I receive something from you.

Most of the time I refrain from arguing with folks over the net. Nothing good comes of it. Also, 9 times out of 10, if we met face to face we'd get along just fine. I'm not sure, but you may be that 10% where the rule doesn't apply. ;)
 
i thought chiefs first post here was derogatory. it implies jerry is lying when he says any knife is a military overun.

i agree with most here, if jerry says it is a military overun, then it is. why lie or misrepresent? he has no reason to, the knives will sell no matter what he calls them.
 
If Boss HOG says it's a mil. overrun then I believe him without any doubt. I'm pretty sure Boss HOG knows what he's talking about:thumbup:
 
To quote a famous person in this thread, please don't feed the trolls. :)

Fact free posts backed by irrelevant credentials simply don't merit breaking a sweat over. The Boss Hog will continue to take care of business and the trolls will continue to troll.
 
Sorry to see this simple thread with some simple questions turn into such a piss poor example of the way to help each other out. For one, my original terminology led my question into the wrong terrain. This is stated to be a "Mil. Run" as per Jerry in this link http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463382. Not an Over-run. My bad. It has been quite some time since I've involved myself with any military activities or personnel, my reasons have to do with a personal and health nature. So, for these questions I turned here, where there is typically a friendly answer or suggestion.
One thing I can certainly guarantee anyone about military acquisitions, it is done in many, many, many ways. A standard form is nothing of the kind in wartime, there are monies being spent in so many transactions that to argue about it only makes one look less like they know anything about it. As far as I'm concerned, I have plenty of avenues to answer simple or complex questions of this nature. Just thought I'd start here, where I wouldn't have to put up with some political B.S. Again, my bad.

Just had to add, Chief's first post on this thread was nearing slanderous, but we see that plenty when someone is having success. And I wanted to add that I don't think Jerry is on the up and up. I KNOW he is. Nuff' for me, next time I'll just call him.
 
mymindisamob said:
Sorry to see this simple thread with some simple questions turn into such a piss poor example of the way to help each other out.
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luckily for us, this rarely happens here. when it does, it is usually handled accordingly and appropriately.
 
as others (may) have said, I am just happy to get in on a busse knife. They sell only one model at a time, and it is a long wait. I personally appreciate the chance to get some more infi in less time and think you guys should to. If not, you are in the wrong place. :shrug:
 
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