someone is going to get SUED

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well, i was browsing through ebay today and came across something pretty interesting, there was a auction for the fastest opening knife in the world, i proceeded to read the description and it sounded like a waved knife i scroll down and there it is, a commander knock off with the wave, the handle looks more like a wortac handle then a commander but it's definitely a rip off

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=721040987
 
infringement of trademark, registered design, patent aside....I think the manufacturer had a pretty innovative idea - utilise the best of all worlds...:eek: :p :p

(i) wave feature
(ii) crawford kasper handle ergonomics - in steel/aluminium
(iii) best of all - a recurve V-grind plain edge portion (not a chisel grind;)
(iv) and a 440C (not A, not B but a C;) !) blade.

I think it's great. EKI and CRKT/Crawford may not tho.....
 
there are soooo many knockoffs of knife patents out there its ridiculous. the countries where much of these are made, particulary china, pakitstan, ect do not recognize patent laws, so they could care less. and you know what can be done about it? nothing!!!

If you want to find someone who can get sued look at someone here in this country who copies someone's patent exactly.


otherwise good luck!!!
 
look like scam to me. I don't believe it's possible to make a knife for 1$ from 440C and from the photos crafstmanship looks ok.

Plus the guy is selling them is new.
 
same style ad (esp. the product description) as many of the W.O.W. companies and its offshoots....

i wonder who the "two guys selling are"?????

:confused: :confused: :confused: :p
 
looking at a couple of those fakes made me....................................................:rolleyes: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
infringement of trademark, registered design, patent aside....I think the manufacturer had a pretty innovative idea - utilise the best of all worlds...


Sir: I am not trying to start a flame war, or get down on you, but SERIOUSLY-How can you think that ripping off other peoples ideas and putting them in your product is innovative. Its simply stealing!! :(
 
Hate to say it, but they's for real...

A guy I know owned a pawn shop, got a buncha Kasper knock offs for a dollar a piece, sold them for $5 a piece and people bought 'em like they were going outta style. Things were so shamelessly cloned off CRKT's version, it even had the cut out for the LAWKS mechanism in the back of the handle, even though it didn't have the LAWKS. exact same handle and blade style as the ones pictured. I eventually gave all three away to people to use as tool box knives, etc.

Now the strange part, and I do hate to say it...

Is that they could be pretty decent for the money. I spine whacked all three of the ones I had.

The first one held tight, didn't budge, as tight as any Spydie, CRKT,etc.

The second one would allow the blade to close about forty degrees, and bounce back.

The third one gave away like paper.

The blades came to a decent shaving edge with a few minutes with a sharpmaker.

If they weren't so shamelessly cloned, and basically built with slave labor I might have liked to keep the first one. As it is I can see no pride or enjoyment in owning one of those things.
 
Has anyone pointed this out to Emerson yet?
Maybe someone should buy it, keep the return address and send the whole thing to Emerson.

I'll do it if it hasn't been done already.
 
the countries where much of these are made, particulary china, pakitstan, ect do not recognize patent laws, so they could care less. and you know what can be done about it? nothing!!!



Is this a blatent violation of intellectual property rights? Absolutely.

Is it illegal? Absolutely.

What can be done about it? Not much.

China, despite talking nice in order to gain WTO membership, has not done anything about these (and many other) violations. (And by the way, China is a very tightly-controlled country. If the goverment wanted to crack down on these things, these factories would be shut down virtually overnight. Obvisouly, the Chinese government is deliberately and knowingly turning a blind eye to this and also deliberately and knowingly ignoring the legal committments they made to stop this.

Japan and Taiwan have gone a long way to elliminating this sort of thing from their countries. Why? Because they now have intellectual property of their own that they would like the US to recognize and protect. Funny how that works, eh?

But there are many other countries in the world where the governments are either unable or unwilling to enforce internationally recognized intellectual property rights.

What can be done about it? Well, if the owners of violated copyrights, trademarks, or patents see this sort of thing, they should complain to the US Customs Service. Customs can confiscate the violating goods and destroy them. But, truth be known, customs doesn't open every box. And, right now, customs is focusing its efforts on things other than cheap pocket knives.

Never the less, the owners of violated copyrights, trademarks, or patents should still report the violations and ask for enforcement. Why? Because if they don't, they'll loose their rights. If the owner does not at least try to get enforcement of his patent rights, then he may not be able to later enforce that same patent against a domestic compeditor. A court could, and likely would, rule that since he knew of a blatent violation and choose to do nothing, he has abandoned his patent.

Trying to get some enforcement does make life a bit more difficult for the foreign knock-off factories and the Americans who do business with them. It certainly does raise their cost of doing business.

But, the real responsibility rests with consumers. You've got to stop buying this junk... and not just knives, but knock-off goods in general. Insist on buying only goods, all kinds of goods, that are either made in America or are made in countries that respect intellectual property rights.

It goes beyond just intellectual property rights, though. You have to think about where your money ultimately goes when you buy things. For example, shortly after 9/11/01, officials found a factory in South America, I've forgotten exactly where, that was cranking out bootlegged music CDs. The managment had ties to Al Quada
 
Ditto Gollnick, i'm sorry to say it but he's 100% correct, almost nothing can be done and it's been going on for many years now!

I also agree the only thing that we can really do about those cheap clones is not buy any, i don't have one and i never will.

James
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
China, despite talking nice in order to gain WTO membership, has not done anything about these (and many other) violations. (And by the way, China is a very tightly-controlled country. If the goverment wanted to crack down on these things, these factories would be shut down virtually overnight. Obvisouly, the Chinese government is deliberately and knowingly turning a blind eye to this and also deliberately and knowingly ignoring the legal committments they made to stop this.

But, the real responsibility rests with consumers. You've got to stop buying this junk... and not just knives, but knock-off goods in general. Insist on buying only goods, all kinds of goods, that are either made in America or are made in countries that respect intellectual property rights.

About 6 weels ago I read an AP story about how Pirating is China's BIGGEST industry. Seriously, BIGGEST. Aparantly you can't walk down the street in China now without someone offering to sell you conterfeit CDs or Software or Watches or whatever.
Interestingly enough I, more recently, read about how there's some sort of political (they CALL it an election) leadership change and that the guy in "office" is cracking down on the counterfeit-street-selling thugs until after the 'election'.

I hate China. I can't think of anything that comes out of that country that we need in this country. Boycotting is a popular and effective method of political activism in the United States. I think the United States should BOYCOTT China! It's a darn shame. We COULD set a good example and say, "We're not going to stand for your policies and the way you treat your people", but we won't because of the money that can be made selling blue jeans to a billion Chinese.

On the second point I quoted:
I remember as a small child, my grandfather usually flat-out REFUSED to buy me the cheap, plastic toys that said "Made in China" on them. My first big-boy lesson EVER was why people shouldn't buy things that were made in other countries, namely China and Taiwan. It was funny at the time, but you know what? He was right and he predicted the future in those lectures! It's not too late. It's really not.

-fulloflead

P.S. Gollnick, you look like this guy I went to highschool with. Did you go to H.S. in Colorado by any chance?
 
well, although there is come validity in your arguement i think that this is a situation where the child comes out wrong and the parents blame it on television and not themselves. why does all the so called democratic countries keep saying they hate china when china is everyones favorite trading partner? sure there is uncontrollable piracy going on in china, but why is there piracy? because there is a market for it, and i have to say that the market is in no way limited to china, EVERY country buys pirated stuff from china and i wouldn't be surprised if the US is one of the biggest piracy consumers. and you can't think of anything we need from china? have you looked at the stuff you have in your house, car, workplace? look and see where it's made, i guarantee most of it is made in china. big businesses love cheap labor and therefore they love china, and which country has more big businesses then anyone else? the good old US of A. i don't see why everyone has to be so damn hypocratic (spelling?) they SAY they don't like china but turn around and support china buy buying made in china stuff. i personally have no problem with made in china stuff, there always has to be the crappy products and the good products and unless your rich you can't afford to buy the good products all the time
 
infringement of trademark, registered design, patent aside....I think the manufacturer had a pretty innovative idea - utilise the best of all worlds... Sir: I am not trying to start a flame war, or get down on you, but SERIOUSLY-How can you think that ripping off other peoples ideas and putting them in your product is innovative. Its simply stealing!!

Hi Tom, I'm not advocating the ripping off of other people's ideas - my statement was tongue in cheek :D .

However, I do think that an emerson with a standard v-edge, wave and a kasper handle would be great! especially at $1.00!!!:eek: :p
 
Originally posted by Manji
i think that this is a situation where the child comes out wrong and the parents blame it on television and not themselves.

Was that an insult? Was that a personal attack? I don't know if I'm understanding you right, but that's how I'm taking it until I hear otherwise. :(

In regard to the things in my home and car that I don't realize were made in China, you're probably right. But if I KNOW and I can read the label I'll choose something made in the USA.

Yes, CHEAP LABOR! You're right there also that's what it's all about. But, here's what you're not right about... How can you KNOW that CHEAP LABOR is what it's all about and STILL have no problem with buying things made in China? Don't you realize that some US Corporation chose not to employ Americans but instead chose to employ Chinese (perhaps children) at probably 30% or less? Is this China's fault? No. They've got some real problems over there and they're doing what they have to do. I seriously have some real sympathy for the people over there. However, if we stopped BUYING things made in China, it wouldn't be so tempting for Corps. so send your jobs there.
 
no, this is not a personal attack i was just using what you said as an example of how the situation is and how people keep blaming others for certain problems, yes china is doing some very illegal things but when you think about it is it really worse then what some so called GOOD U.S.A companies do behind closed doors? and how can i keep buying made in china stuff even though i know it's made with cheap labor? because think about it this way, lets say big companies buy the workers like 2 dollars an hour, now if there was no big companies there they wouldn't even get that 2 dollars an hour, i know this is being a bit optimistic but the inherent problem here is greed, everyone is greedy, and greed means wanting more money and wanting more money means doing whatever is necessary to make that extra dollar
 
Originally posted by Manji
no, this is not a personal attack

yes china is doing some very illegal things but when you think about it is it really worse then what some so called GOOD U.S.A companies do behind closed doors? and how can i keep buying made in china stuff even though i know it's made with cheap labor? because think about it this way, lets say big companies buy the workers like 2 dollars an hour, now if there was no big companies there they wouldn't even get that 2 dollars an hour, i know this is being a bit optimistic but the inherent problem here is greed, everyone is greedy, and greed means wanting more money and wanting more money means doing whatever is necessary to make that extra dollar

POINT 1:
OK. It's not a personal attack. Cool. Thanks.:) No problem.

POINT 2:
OK. You make a valid point. There are some awful things going on in this country and, yes; our corporations are sometimes (OK, often) corrupt. Other countries ask, "How can you accuse us as having bad human rights when there people sleeping in doorways in your capitol?", and they are correct in asking that. There ARE, however, other reasons to hate China. China executes more people in a year than probably die of old age in the United States! (OK, SLIGHT, SLIGHT exaggeration, but you get the point.) In China, you can be executed for hosting a website that criticizes the Chinese government. Members of your family can be executed for not turning you in. You can go to prison for life for shoplifting. Female babies are often killed because in some areas you're only allowed to have one child and a boy is more valuable; so kill the girl and try again. This is apples and oranges when compared to the homeless problem US cities have. BUT, is this the fault of the people of China? No. It's the fault of the government of China. My biggest argument in this debate is that the US should say, "Until you knock-off these violations of human rights, we're not going to trade with you."
 
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