Something I don't like to admit

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Sitting around on the mend, I decided to inventory my outdoorsy stuff, particularly my cutlery.

Looking over all my axes, hatchets, kukris, SAKs, high end knives, low end knives, etc, I had an epiphany I wish I didn't have.

At the end of it all, I saw the kit that started my outdoor fascination. Bear with me as I go through a bit of the story. . .

It really started when I got enrolled as a Cub Scout by my parents. I don't remember the stuff we learned. Or maybe I do, and just don't remember where I learned it. But I remember the little slipjoint "Official Cub Scout" knife. It's kind of yellowish, fake ivory plastic handle. I remember thinking I was on my way to being a mountain man (A dream I haven't entirely given up on, although I have to have some ties to civilization to get the medication I need). I wish I could find that knife. Probably isn't worth much, but it's yet another tie to an earlier life that I no longer have.

Then I moved on to the ones I still have. First, my official Boy Scout knife. You know the one, the Camillus slipjoint with the knife, bottle opener, can opener/screwdriver and awl. Oh yes. For some reason this brings back memories of getting my knot merit badge (probably because I suck at it and it was a real trial). I also carried this knife in my pocket at all times, even in school (remember the days when you could have a pocket knife in school without the SWAT team being called?). I was a real, honest-to-goodness Boy Scout when I got that knife.

Then I come to IT. The Buck Knife. We all know it as the Buck 110 Folding Hunter. To us back then it was simply The Buck Knife. Every boy lusted for one. When you got one, you were There. You were a Man when you had a Buck Knife. It was the Holy Grail, it was Excalibur, it was. . .well, by God it was THE BUCK KNIFE! I shouldn't have to explain!! :D I also have the little oilstone wrapped in a rage and small bottle of oil in a pouch that my dad gave me. He never participated much in my outdoors activities, but it meant a lot to me when he bought me my knives.

And of course, no woods runner was complete without a hatchet. Mine, of course was the ubiquitous Estwing Sportsman's hatchet. Oh yes, all our Boy Scout hatchet work was learned on one. Any chopping that didn't require an axe, got it with the hatchet. In fact I remember going scouting on summer two-week long excursions. Out of the whole troop, we only carried two axes and two shovels. But everyone had a knife and a hatchet. You got made fun of if you had anything but an Estwing.

We were dirt poor at the time. Even having to go two years at one time with no electricity (big adventure for me, living the mountain man dream for real as far as I was concerned!). So it was a big deal for my parents to buy an Estwing and a Buck knife. My scoutmaster bought me the official knife. My parents bought the basic uniform, and friends of the family hand sewed ot handmade most of the accoutrements. It was a small town, so it was understood that not everyone could afford to be 100% up to spec on the uniform, in fact I think only two of us actually were.

Where am I going with this?
Looking at my collection of several thousand dollars. I think back and look now, and I really could still get along fine with my BS knife, the Buck 110 (much easier to skin and dress game than with the slipjoint -- must be something behind that "folding hunter" name), and that Estwing hatchet.

So, the epiphany being, even today, you could go out and get a SAK (more versatile than the basic BS knife), a Buck 110, and an Estwing hatchet (depending on the model SAK, you might be able to throw in a GI machete) for right around $100, and have everything you really could need for camping and other outdoor adventures.

I guess the upside is, with the economy being tight like it is, you can still get your kids outfitted without breaking the bank (don't get me started on how I made it hiking and camping with a medium ALICE pack for over two decades, then I'll really cry). Or, like in my case, I helped some poor kids at our church out by giving them some surplus gear and a new SAK/Buck/Estwing cutlery set so they could go on a summer camp/survival course that one of our deacons runs. Spread the love, my friends, spread the love.
 
Great post.

I still have my very first pocket knife, a camillus boy scout knife without the scout emblem. It was sort of a ceremony, a rite of passage with my pappaw. He called me into the room. He had the knife with a shoe string tied to the lanyard ring. He proceeded to tie the other end to my belt loop so I wouldn't loose it. I carried it like that for years, or course replacing the shoe string on multiple occasions.

I lost a bunch of totin chips with that knife. Something about not cutting towards your hand or walking around with it open. :-)

I put that knife away and bought a case knife almost identical to it. Still love that camillus. It holds a great edge, has cut thousands of things in it's life time and has a great patina to it. One day it will go to my oldest grandchild.

Thanks for sharing.

Charlie
 
You're right. Most of us just love knives. Its not about practicality.
 
...I helped some poor kids at our church out by giving them some surplus gear and a new SAK/Buck/Estwing cutlery set so they could go on a summer camp/survival course that one of our deacons runs. Spread the love, my friends, spread the love.
Just think. Those poor kids may well wind up posting here, because of what you did.
 
Very nice.

How's the foot?

It's getting there. It feels like I've been out for 6 months, but it's only been 2 1/2 weeks. Doc says she's still good with the estimate of being 100% within a month after the surgery (which will be Oct 4).

Never thought I'd say it, but I can't wait to get back to work.
 
Hey Bud- I liked reading your post, you sound like a good, good man. Reminds me of my time in scouting. I had the dubious honor of getting up to a podium to tell the cub scouts what Big-Boy scouting was all about (I was maybe 4th or 5th grade). When I got to the part about finally getting "The Knife", my eyes surely lit up. I must of gone on about that cruddy little knife and my love for it for ten minutes, I could see raised eye-brows and concerned looks from several moms. Ahh, a young cutlery lover with a captive audience, those were the days.
 
Yea...I still have the first knife I ever got. Grandaddy gave it to me after I received my whittling badge in Boy Scouts back in the early 90's, yea...I'm young. It's a Schrade Uncle Henry, I cannot recall the model name, but this knife has traveled the world with me and cut many, many things, including my fingers at times. I will carry it until it breaks or I hand it down one day.

Great idea on handing down the cost-effective kits and such, too. As many know, my major is prepping me for church work and I intend to do as much outdoors stuff as I possibly can. That's another idea going into my book of things to do/try....
 
great post and i agree with it too.

when i look at my entire collection and think of all the money i have spent i have to laugh. i like using my first knives more so than the much more expensive knives with state of the art steels and design. too bad i enjoy hunting for the next knife though;)
 
Amongst my vast collection of high end and low end and custom and production and collectable knives collected over the past half century I too still have my well worn BSA knife, Buck 110 and Estwing hatchet. I'm with you brother.
 
I still have my first SAK that I got for easter when I was 13. I believe that it is the only thing I still own from my childhood....lot of miles and years behind me..I have lightened the load before..and will do it again. I feel the same way...about the cost of things. I have been over the "cost" of knives for a while now...now I look at what it is...not what it costs. Infact, the cheaper the better.
Also..with the economy the way it is...I have been going to flea markets and yard sales on the weekends..looking for deals. We got 2 really nice cast iron pots this past weekend. My wife scored a 14" Lodge dutch oven for $25 bucks!
Anyway..I feel you..we dont need what we are buying..we are buying these knives because we are collectors...just accept it.:D:thumbup:
 
Hmmm, the whole reason I ended up joining this forum was that I just finished buying my boyhood fantasy knife - a buck 119! In early high school, I became friends with my TKD instructor who sort became a surrogate dad given I was from a divorced family and 500 miles removed from my real dad.

We used to go camping all the time. I think I scraped together enough cash to get myself one of those rinky dinky rambo survival knives. My instructor had a buck 119 that he would always take fishing and hunting with him and when we were out camping he'd let me whittle with it and even showed me how to sharpen it. Hell, I remember amputating a bunch of frogs from their legs to have my first frog leg dinner with his 119!

It took a long, long time going through different hobbies from fishing equipment to others before I finally hunkered down and bought myself that buck 119, which to my mind is still a 'real man's knife'. It was, and still is. The buck is kind of relegated to the background in my collection today, but there is no doubt that it has respect and a heavy dose of nostalgia for me. Whenever I see the 119 sticking in a tree, like the knives in trees thread, I think - yep thats a man's knife. Not even a Busse battle mistress is as manly as a buck 119. That is just the way it is :)
 
I wasn't in the scouts, I lived out in the rural boonies on an 800 acre farm / ranch. wehad crops, cattle, we logged and cleared land, chopped sprouts, and picked about a trillion rocks. And I remember buying my first real knife. I was in 4th grade in about '75, so at 9 or so years old I walked in to a hardware, saw a 2 blade Barlow with Oxblood or burgundy colered handles, whipped out 3 bucks and some change for tax and walked out the store 10 feet tall. There was no you ain't old enough or does your Mama know or watch ya gonna do with that thing.... Now it wouldn't happen. Toda's kids are being left out doing one of thing things I consider taking a step to growin' up.

Somewhere I still have that old dirty, rusted, and in need of sharpening and cleaning knife and it is mine and as close to worthless as it is it is priceless to me. And if I thought about it, it would probally be all any of us need 80%of the time. Rhanks for stirring up great memories. :thumbup: Pat
 
I've been collecting knives with the soul purpose of getting rid of them I'm questing to find my set up,,When I get something I try it for a while if there's something I don't like about it it gets given away or traded Despite all my time here and the 1000's of dollars I've spent I think I have less than 20 knives.... THe buck 110 is undoubtedly among my favs..
I also agree that you could so quite nicely for very little money:
mora clipper (carbon) - 10 dollars
fiskars 14 inch sport axe- 20 dollars
sak huntsman -25 bucks
tramotina 12 inch machete-5.99

total 61 bucks
living life in bushcraft paradise Priceless.

I remember my first real knife was a sak camper given to me by my older brother in the macguyver days... I beat that thing for 6 years till the scales came off. I felt like I was ready to withstand a nuclear winter whenever I had that in my pocket... now I can't sleep at night if a folder blade has some play... Funny how things change.. Great thread.
 
Hmmm, the whole reason I ended up joining this forum was that I just finished buying my boyhood fantasy knife - a buck 119! In early high school, I became friends with my TKD instructor who sort became a surrogate dad given I was from a divorced family and 500 miles removed from my real dad.

We used to go camping all the time. I think I scraped together enough cash to get myself one of those rinky dinky rambo survival knives. My instructor had a buck 119 that he would always take fishing and hunting with him and when we were out camping he'd let me whittle with it and even showed me how to sharpen it. Hell, I remember amputating a bunch of frogs from their legs to have my first frog leg dinner with his 119!

It took a long, long time going through different hobbies from fishing equipment to others before I finally hunkered down and bought myself that buck 119, which to my mind is still a 'real man's knife'. It was, and still is. The buck is kind of relegated to the background in my collection today, but there is no doubt that it has respect and a heavy dose of nostalgia for me. Whenever I see the 119 sticking in a tree, like the knives in trees thread, I think - yep thats a man's knife. Not even a Busse battle mistress is as manly as a buck 119. That is just the way it is :)


Just for you, kgd. The knife was positively identified as a Buck 119.

Doc
 
Thanks doc - and here is another lesson from your article:

"Dog saved by own chubbiness".....

Now I'm feeling pretty good - chubby plus buck 119'ified :) :)
 
I have my first Boy Scout knife - a black Imperial with a silver plastic Scout shield. Still cuts.

Every Scout had a pocket knife.

Few had sheath knives, and those who did -- Westerns all -- were much admired by all.

No Estwings in my Troop. We had massively heavy Bridgeports and nice Plumbs. (I now know they dated back to the 20's and 30's - screw wedges.) One Plumb per Patrol was the rule. (The post-WWII Bridgeports were strictly for car camping. Did I say they were heavy?)

Then there were the folding "Swedish" saws. Wooden handles and a blued blade held in place by a wing nut. I think they were intended for garden/yard use, but they worked great for harvesting and processing wood -- if you didn't bend the blade by pushing to hard.

We would not have imagined that we were underequipped.
 
My first knife was a military demo knife made by Camillus. I found it on the ground at camp when I was in the Cub Scouts. I hid that thing for at least a week under my bed until my mom found it and took it away. My dad told her to give it back that I was big enough to have it. Man I thought I could kill a bear with that knife. I carried it everywhere with me hanging on my belt loop. I still have that knife plus a new one just like it. I loved that little knife.
 
Great post.

I still have my very first pocket knife, a camillus boy scout knife without the scout emblem. It was sort of a ceremony, a rite of passage with my pappaw. He called me into the room. He had the knife with a shoe string tied to the lanyard ring. He proceeded to tie the other end to my belt loop so I wouldn't loose it. I carried it like that for years, or course replacing the shoe string on multiple occasions.

I lost a bunch of totin chips with that knife. Something about not cutting towards your hand or walking around with it open. :-)

I put that knife away and bought a case knife almost identical to it. Still love that camillus. It holds a great edge, has cut thousands of things in it's life time and has a great patina to it. One day it will go to my oldest grandchild.

Thanks for sharing.

Charlie

beautiful! i think many of us were very lucky to have dads or grandads like that.:cool::thumbup:
 
Great post. I still have the first two knives that I got . One from my dad and one from his step dad. One is a Barlow and the one from my dad is a knife that I can't identify but the Sheath says Sweden on it. It is a six inch heavy fixed blade.
 
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