Something's wrong

Two different companies and manufacturing places/processes/materials bro.
 
dang it broke after 3-4 strikes, it looks as brittle as glass, that would be a hell of a thing to happen while really needing it.
 
I can understand it breaking in the vise, but did you notice the first break looked very straight for a break? I think that maybe something is fishy!
 
mean said:
..did you notice the first break looked very straight for a break? I think that maybe something is fishy!
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Not really. A force was applied in a certain direction that overcame the strength of the knife, a strength undermined by (possibly) a flaw in the steel itself or in the heat treatment process, less-than-ideal steel for this size of knife and kind of use (D2 is NOT an upgrade for a knife of this size and design, regardless of the fact it costs more, unless you're intending it purely to break down cardboard boxes or skin animals), and perhaps a stress riser of some kind in the form of a deep scratch or gouge beneath the finish---that last is a complete guess, but it does happen and especially on knives that are intended for coating. In fact, you want a rougher surface underneath to help the coatings adhere.

We're used to seeing wood split in interesting shapes, but steel doesn't have wavering grain lines running through it. I've had two machete blades break in cold weather, and both times in a straight line. The first was so perfectly perpendicular to the spine it looked like it had been cut off with a hack saw. The second was at about 30 degrees to the spine down to a sharp little point---which kind of looked cool, but no longer had the mass out front for a machete, so it became scrap steel.
 
whoa, he must have just had a bad RAT 7. I've seen that knife go through much tougher tests than a simple batoning... or he is crazy strong.
 
I'm guessin' some flaw in the steel or a mistake in HT process. But that's just my 2 cents. Either way, it's wrong.
 
Before the big Ontario RAT stink, and RAT Cutlery came along, these were some of the best outdoor knives we could get for the money. I have both the D2 and 1095 versions of the RAT-7. I have chopped and batoned with my 1095 one a lot with no problems. I haven't even used my D2 version, and after seeing this, I may not. While D2 is not as tough as 1095, it should have done better than that. I suspect a bad heat treat on that one.
 
Just a flawed heat treat. It happens even to the best of manufacturers just more often to some than others.

This is a perfect example of why I don't have any safe queens. I'd much rather use my knives hard in my backyard and have them break than get them out in the woods and have them break where I don't have 30 spares.
 
Ontario had some heat treat issues with a batch of D2. I think the D2 models from Ontario have now been discontinued. Being that they will not talk to us or even answer any question we have about our knife designs (I have repeatedly emails and attempted to get in touch with Nick to discuss issues), there is nothing I can really say or do to address this issue.
 
R.A.T. said:
Ontario had some heat treat issues with a batch of D2. I think the D2 models from Ontario have now been discontinued. Being that they will not talk to us or even answer any question we have about our knife designs (I have repeatedly emails and attempted to get in touch with Nick to discuss issues), there is nothing I can really say or do to address this issue.
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I'm pretty sure you could get your name and variations there of removed from the product at least. Defamation of character, damages to your business and name. How many times has someone posted here saying they bought a crappy so and so from brand "O", and it wasn't even an RC knife, seems there is some damage potentially being done.

Or is your approach kinda like Microsoft, they know there are millions of illegal copies running out there, but they don't really go after too many folks cause it actually works out better for them, all those illegal copies basically make for a hugs commercial customer base, because people don't know or understand the other OS solutions. So even though the other RAT's are crappy and made by brand "O" you can kinda site back as the higher tier RAT knife when they loose interest in the cruft.

I know its none of my business, but i find situations where the law actually screwed someone into being helpless facinating (in a disgusted way)
 
Oh boy - here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ontario RATs have problems with QA/QC and that has been known for some time. Even if you have a perfect Ontario RAT, its fit and finish does not even approach those produced by Rowan. Take the powder coat as an example, the fit of the scales to the tang and the shaping of the handles.

D2 can be an amazing steel with the right heat treat. Do a little research on original Bob Dozier's knives who made people originally stand up and take notice what this steel can do.

Any steel with poor heat treat will fail. While tool steels are known for their toughness, get it too hard and they are as brittle as the rest. When knives failure catastrophically like that more than likely it was due to the heat treat applied. When people talk about brittleness of super steels more often it has to do with the edge chipping rather than rolling on high impact chopping or when glancing blows cause the edge to contact rocks (which chips even the best of tough tools steels).
 
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