Southard not flipping

[Honed_Edge]

I see why you said it rolls, it does feel that way. I only know because of watching knife making videos and have watched them press all the detents in. I also look at knives under a microscope and it can be seen that way. Taking things apart if you don't know how they work is risky, but if you accept the risk dive in. It is a great learning experience. I sure didn't mean anything personal or negative, just wanted to clear up misconceptions of future readers. I said Spyderco doesn't want people messing with their knives because they don't want to deal with that learning curve.

 

[spketch]

No doubt, some people should not take apart their knives. In the case of the OP the issue could have been solved without disassembly by carefully lubricating the detent ball with the blade open. Good information for people with the same problem to check out in the future.
OP, glad to hear the southard is flipping smoothly for you again!

 

[TekNyc]

Do not flatten the washers! They are designed to be concave.

 

[Scurvy092]

This happened to me and I think it was because I'd used some loctite and it leaked onto one of the surfaces. I also noticed that the detente ball had become shiny and flattened. Anyway, I cleaned it off and reassembled a couple of times and it went away. The cleaning may have rotated the detente ball into a better position or, as I said, there was some loctite deposited somewhere.

As for the idea that disassembling the knife voids the warranty I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone who doesn't disassemble their knife from time to time to clean it, etc.. Sheesh, can you imagine?? I mean, consider that these knives are used by military, police, and rescue professionals who have to do equipment checks and so forth. You think Emerson voids their warranty just for disassembly when they *sell replacement parts*. I've never heard anything so ridiculous.

I'm not going to link across forums but this is straight from an admin on the Spyderco Forum:

Hey ya'll. Reading through a few different threads this morning and a couple of things popped out at me that I think need to be clarified.

1st - Disassembling a Spyderco voids the warranty. Period. There was a question about this being a "myth". It is not a myth. It does not matter if you don't break anything when you do it. If we can tell that a knife has been disassembled (whether it's a FrankenSpyder or not) the warranty is technically void. We manufacture knives with all screw construction not because we want you to take them apart. We do so, so our Crew can take them apart for maintenance and repair. I'm sure there might be some other questions, but bottom line, if you take your knife apart, the warranty is void.

 

[JNewell]

Some detents roll and some don't - I don't think that they're intended to in most cases. They're usually staked in and often don't rotate.

 

[freewheeling]

I'm not going to link across forums but this is straight from an admin on the Spyderco Forum:

Hey ya'll. Reading through a few different threads this morning and a couple of things popped out at me that I think need to be clarified.

1st - Disassembling a Spyderco voids the warranty. Period. There was a question about this being a "myth". It is not a myth. It does not matter if you don't break anything when you do it. If we can tell that a knife has been disassembled (whether it's a FrankenSpyder or not) the warranty is technically void. We manufacture knives with all screw construction not because we want you to take them apart. We do so, so our Crew can take them apart for maintenance and repair. I'm sure there might be some other questions, but bottom line, if you take your knife apart, the warranty is void.

OK, I'm cancelling my pre-order for a Karahawk. That's simply ridiculous. Will probably get another Emerson.

 

[ericvar101]

That what you get for buying a knife made in Taiwan

 

[nccole]

That what you get for buying a knife made in Taiwan

Just FYI, all their knives have the same warranty, not just Taiwanese made. Also, FWIW I have not had to exercise my warranty rights on about 15 Spyderco's.

 

[freewheeling]

Just FYI, all their knives have the same warranty, not just Taiwanese made. Also, FWIW I have not had to exercise my warranty rights on about 15 Spyderco's.

I don't have any problem with the quality. But that doesn't excuse the ridiculous policy. I mean, they sell knives to the military and to police and expect them *not* to be disassembled? You learn how to disassemble practically everything in basic training. Until they have a rational warranty policy I'm just not interested in Spyderco. I don't want to sell my Southard because I like it too much, but probably will sell my Warrior Knife (which I *have* disassembled, of course).

Imagine if they sold M4s that way!

 

[Mr. Sogetsu]

I don't have any problem with the quality. But that doesn't excuse the ridiculous policy. I mean, they sell knives to the military and to police and expect them *not* to be disassembled? You learn how to disassemble practically everything in basic training. Until they have a rational warranty policy I'm just not interested in Spyderco. I don't want to sell my Southard because I like it too much, but probably will sell my Warrior Knife (which I *have* disassembled, of course).

Imagine if they sold M4s that way!

Nevermind.

 

[freewheeling]

OK, there's a misunderstanding here and I don't want to contribute to it. The following claim by Scurvy092 IS A MYTH. I repeat, it is NOT true.

1st - Disassembling a Spyderco voids the warranty. Period. There was a question about this being a "myth". It is not a myth. It does not matter if you don't break anything when you do it. If we can tell that a knife has been disassembled (whether it's a FrankenSpyder or not) the warranty is technically void. We manufacture knives with all screw construction not because we want you to take them apart. We do so, so our Crew can take them apart for maintenance and repair. I'm sure there might be some other questions, but bottom line, if you take your knife apart, the warranty is void.

It IS a myth. The truth is this:

Spyderco warrants that all of our products are free from defects in material and workmanship.

Repairs to your knife performed by any source other than Spyderco Inc. unconditionally voids the knife’s warranty.

Spyderco’s warranty does not cover damage caused by abuse, misuse, loss, improper handling, alterations, accident, neglect, disassembly, or improper sharpening.

If a knife fails to function as it was designed, we will examine its condition upon its return to Spyderco, identify why it failed and respond in an appropriate manner.

If we determine there is a defect in the manufacture/materials/workmanship, Spyderco will repair, or replace that product with the same model or one of equal value at its own expense.

If a problem with a returned knife is determined to be caused by something other than a defect in manufacture/materials/workmanship, Spyderco will inform you of whether the product can be repaired and the cost to you of having Spyderco implement such repair (see below). Upon agreement and payment we will perform the repair.

If Spyderco is unable to improve the condition of the knife, we will return it to you with the recommendation it be retired from use. All costs associated with shipment of the product(s) are the responsibility of the customer.

Note that this is entirely different from the claim by Scurvy092 that the warranty is voided by simply disassembling the knife. Only *DAMAGE* caused by disassembly is not covered, which is perfectly reasonable. WHEW! I guess the question is whether the false warranty myth is malicious.

 

[JNewell]

I don't have any problem with the quality. But that doesn't excuse the ridiculous policy. I mean, they sell knives to the military and to police and expect them *not* to be disassembled? You learn how to disassemble practically everything in basic training. Until they have a rational warranty policy I'm just not interested in Spyderco. I don't want to sell my Southard because I like it too much, but probably will sell my Warrior Knife (which I *have* disassembled, of course).

Imagine if they sold M4s that way!

Several knife companies have similar policies, although in all cases the written policies are not always enforced. In most cases, the standard seems to be: if you damage the knife or cause it not to operate properly, or simply can't reassemble it properly and return it for correct reassembly, that is not covered by the warranty.

 

[Alnamvet68]

This happened to me and I think it was because I'd used some loctite and it leaked onto one of the surfaces. I also noticed that the detente ball had become shiny and flattened. Anyway, I cleaned it off and reassembled a couple of times and it went away. The cleaning may have rotated the detente ball into a better position or, as I said, there was some loctite deposited somewhere.

As for the idea that disassembling the knife voids the warranty I'm sorry, but I don't know anyone who doesn't disassemble their knife from time to time to clean it, etc.. Sheesh, can you imagine?? I mean, consider that these knives are used by military, police, and rescue professionals who have to do equipment checks and so forth. You think Emerson voids their warranty just for disassembly when they *sell replacement parts*. I've never heard anything so ridiculous.

Very true; problem is, Spyderco really doesn't sell replacement parts for their knives, past or present.

 

[schwome]

This thread looks like its starting to go south... let me just say thanks again for all the help and feedback. My problem was solved by putting a little oil on the ball detent. I would also like to say I have been assembling and disassembling guns and knives for over10 years and have learned a lot from breaking shit in my younger years, lol. I have learned to take it slow and inspect everything to see how it fits together and functions. That's being said I'm a die hard ESEE and Spyderco fan and understand why warranties have been changed over the years. Some people like to abuse warranties, others do it by accident, and some its not their fault at all. I will continue to buy ESEE and Spyderco as long as their QC, customer service and quality r top notch

 

[freewheeling]

This thread looks like its starting to go south... let me just say thanks again for all the help and feedback. My problem was solved by putting a little oil on the ball detent. I would also like to say I have been assembling and disassembling guns and knives for over10 years and have learned a lot from breaking shit in my younger years, lol. I have learned to take it slow and inspect everything to see how it fits together and functions. That's being said I'm a die hard ESEE and Spyderco fan and understand why warranties have been changed over the years. Some people like to abuse warranties, others do it by accident, and some its not their fault at all. I will continue to buy ESEE and Spyderco as long as their QC, customer service and quality r top notch

Glad that worked. Had a hunch it would.

 

[Officer's Match]

Similar with mine, but I do think washing the crud outta' my bearings didn't hurt either. Definitely a trick/art to getting the pivot tension right on both sides too.