Spanish Fencing Swords, need help.....with everything

I was wondering the length on the OP's swords. I can have my friend measure the one original he has left and see if they match, or just if the OP's swords are significantly shorter than an "actual" sword. I DO remember, before I gave them to my friend, that they did have quite a bit of "whip" to them, and could be flexed a bit and return to true. Maybe the set I gave away were also repurposed obsolete foils. I just always figured they were decorator because of the plaque thing. I also remember, the blades are definitely steel, they weren't zinc alloy or anything. huh. Starting to think i should have kept the darn things, :p
 
The "weird" or orthopedic grip provides more speed and control, while the french grip provides more accuracy. I fence, and use both.
 
I will, Mete. Thanks for info, fellas.
 
That kind of grip looks like an exaggerated, theoretical design that's hoped to give an advantage in sport swordsmanship. Is there evidence of historical fighting swords that have eccentric finger hooks and such?

I am unaware of any historical examples of grips like that, however they are fairly common in modern fencing. Of course most modern fencing has little to do with historical swordsmanship so...
 
Ok, I measured them. The length is approximately 43" (not exact). If its any more informative, the outside edge of the guard measures 37" from the tip of the foil. The tips are bent over/blunted on both about 1/4" or so. I just eyeballed that though, LOL.
 
Get ye to a sports shop & buy
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Wow! That's a lot longer than the ones my friend has now. His are 36 & 1/4 inches total. His are fakes, most likely.
 
Wow! That's a lot longer than the ones my friend has now. His are 36 & 1/4 inches total. His are fakes, most likely.
Not nec'rily
These foils for kids are made from size 2 or size 0 blades. Size 2 blades are approx. 32 inches long and are good for children under the age of 10.

Size 0 blades are the shortest (and lightest) and are 30 inches long. Size 0 blades are also good for children under the age of 10, especially if you want a very light foil for them to use to gain more confidence in their ability to wield a fencing foil.
http://shop.fencing.net/product_p/fdn-45101.htm
 
Safety == When I started fencing many years ago I always met kids who wanted to try fencing but the parents were nervous about safety ! "try out for the football team it's safer" In those days , and today
fencing was far safer than football [American type] .
The NFL recently put up a large amount of money to help football players deal with brain damage . However they have just completed a study of deceased NFL players -- 95 % had evidence of brain damage !!!
Fencing is obviously FAR SAFER !
 
Later they started making them from maraging steel -the steel which was the subject of my thesis !!! One big circle !

Rob I have always been interested in Maraging steel because of it's famous (or should I say infamous) usage.
Can you tell us something about it in laymen's terms?
 
Rugbys safer than gridiron (NFL), for players brains. No helmets therefor no urge to use heads as battering rams.
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But we digress.
 
Steven, that's kind of a funny story for me .International Nickel Co developed ,in the 1960s , a group of alloys called Mar-Aging steels. It's really not proper to call them steels as carbon content is very low and doesn't play much part in the properties.
It is based on using martensite and aging for strengthening . A non-carbon martensite to get toughness without being brittle.other elements that provide precipitates for additional strength.
The composition of 18 % Nickel 250 was - 18 % Ni, 7.8 % Co, 4.8 % Mo, 0.4% Ti for a 250,000 psi yield strength.
I was still in school when this was happening and chose an alloy for my thesis, substituting Mn for much of the Ni
.So there I was induction melting my alloy, banging away with a nice power hammer , heat treating etc .I had a ball !! as all the stuff on paper was then transformed to the real world !
Saddest part ? no photos of me at work .I'd gladly pay high amounts for that today !
The best was putting theory to practice . In the mean time I intensely studied the alloys ,met metallurgists from Inco and other companies .

I went in adifferent direction after school and lost contact with Maraging steels. Until one day I thought 'what ever happened to Maraging ?' Googled and to my surprize found lots of enteries but almost all were golf club heads and fencing blades ??? Confusion as I went from developing an alloy system to golf and fencing ! I can tell you we were not thinking of golf or fencing back in the 1960s ! I was a activeepee fencer for many years

To explain martensite - while we usually think of carbon -iron martensite there are other types. Our Titanium sword man ,Mecha, uses such an alloy for his swords. Most say Ti doesn't make a hard enough alloy that's because they don't use alloys containing martensite !
I really wanted photos ofme and the hammer but they were afraid to go to the basement and watch the weird metallurgist !
 
Steven, that's kind of a funny story for me .International Nickel Co developed ,in the 1960s , a group of alloys called Mar-Aging steels. It's really not proper to call them steels as carbon content is very low and doesn't play much part in the properties.

Rob thanks for the info. I am sure that you know that it's famous use today is in centrifuges for the enrichment of Uranium 235.

Indeed I heard a lecture recently on Centrifuges where the lecturer said that using Maraging steel they were able to produce speeds in the centrifuge of 1Km per second or Mach 2. That sounded crazy and it seemed weird that Titanium would not be strong enough.........but there you go.

It is always amazes to me that these materials are out there yet very few people know about them.
 
No I didn't know that ! That info I gave was from a 1966 Inco booklet listing 18 % Ni Maraging of 200,250, and 300, thousand psi.
There are all kinds of weird things out there . Still get looks of disbelief when I tell people that we bought most of our Ti from Soviet Union at the peak of the coldwar --when most Ti went to military aircraft and missles !! Mondo Pazzo !
 
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