Speaking of 14" BDC's....

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What would you think of a 16" and 18" BDC?

What would you think of a 15" Pen?


(this could be the point in the thread intro where I repeat the story of the Pen. I've repeated it many times, and look forward to gumming prunes in old age and telling the Pen story. IF you want me to repeat the Pen story, How I Came To Appreciate The Pen, Even Though I Don't Own One, just say so. Some people report they sleep easier hearing me repeat these stories, providing a soft, white noise lull not found in any department store.)



munk
 
munk said:
What would you think of a 16" and 18" BDC?
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munk said:
What would you think of a 15" Pen?
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Not sure why, but a part of what makes a BDC a BDC seems to be related to the size to me. It would seem like just another fullered blade but with a different handle.

On the other hand, a 15" Pen would be great. A Pen would be a Pen regardless of the size because of the blade shape.

just my .02
 
Well, since you asked,....

The Pen came out amidst a lot of hype and fanfare- much like the FF ll. We see this in cartridge design all the time-someone reinvents the wheel. What is hard to understand is that there are tools that seem to perform slightly better than other tools, regardless of what the paper stats are. The 375 H&H has always been credited with more killing and knock down power than some more powerful rounds. Now, the older I get, the more I think a 18" khuk at 28 oz is the peak of all around virtues in a khuk. It can be carrried, hits harder than it has a right to, and is indestructable.

I'm not very certain any more that small variations in design mean much. That's the horrible shocking truth- weep bitterly in private if you must, saying: "Lassie Will Come Home, She Must Come Home."

So when Dan trotted out the Pen I yawned. Was there anything there a 12" AK couldn't do? I didn't knock the Pen, I was not a foe of the Pen, but I was a stranger to the Pen. Still am; but wait, the plot thickens:

ON another forum famous for it's neurotic obsesssion with all things HI, people were taking snipes at the Pen. This was many years ago. (We see a back ground in that kind of behavior even then.) Now, like I said, I didn't care one way or another about the Pen, but this was outrageious to me. My own beloved 41 mag has been in the shadow of the 44 for years.

"If people want a cartridge, then that's all the justification it needs!" Bob Milek once scolded the Gun Clan. So I scolded the Pen detractors.

And this made me think; nothing much was new under the sun- but we put into new context what came before. We renew. HI is doing what Artists do when they are comfortable with their craft: they are exploring and branching out. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. This becomes a celebration of life and ourselves.

I still don't want a Pen, nor a BAS for that matter. Too small for me. ( I have Hollowdweller's old cracked horn handle BAS which thinks it's a chiruwa Ak and I'm not telling it different.) But people are allowed to try new things, they are allowed to deviate from historical patterns, they are allowed to have.....fun.

And that's my story of the Pen; a good little blade much admired by those who own them. That makes me a Friend of the Pen.

I hope when and if the Sher Special shows up on these DOD pages you all will forget the traditional, that it lacks a cho and small tools, (and that Yvsa does not like it) and give it a fair shake.
There is no reason why this handy blade should not be economical to produce and satisfactory to many of us.

I've always wanted a longer BDC. Several of us asked about this during introduction. Yesterday I wrote to Yangdu and she surprised me by writing right back and saying,"good idea; how about a 15" Pen too?"

Yangdu's in charge now and this company is changing. There's a new face on the old story of great tools and wonderful friends.

Damn, should I write ad copy?



munk
 
There are many khuks that perform the same at certain specs, SASSAS; adding a longer BDC which duplicates the ground covered by 18" WWll's, AK's, Ganga Rams, etc, is OK; it is a good thing.

Just as extending the Pen into territority occupied by the Ganga Ram is a good thing.


munk
 
I kinda like the idea of a 15" PK. I know it was designed to be a smaller chopping camp knife, but a 15" version would be an awesome chopper. I think it might end up looking like those WWII piolet crash axes. I'd take one:)

Jake
 
I would love to see a BDC style blade in a larger size, but just going up an inch wouldn't be worth it. We have the seldom seen 10" BDC, but the 14" really shines as an all around utility blade with a great handle.

The next logical step would be BGRS size, about 17.25-17.5" and 27-28 oz. Same curve, same fullers, same handle but longer of course. Kind of a modified M43 style. I'm in for at least two of them... (-:
 
Yes to all and also yes to:

27 oz YCS

and

15" 27oz Tin Churra

And a normal Pen knife and 15" Ganga with about a 3/4" longer handle.
 
I thought a longer, 18" BDC would have takers. It would be too beautiful to leave alone.

>>>>>>>>>

..that is, until She walked in.
Somehow, all promise on the wrapper, the neon and cheap bourban all meant more in the moment I looked into those cold blue eyes.

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munk
 
munk said:
There are many khuks that perform the same at certain specs, SASSAS; adding a longer BDC which duplicates the ground covered by 18" WWll's, AK's, Ganga Rams, etc, is OK; it is a good thing.

Just as extending the Pen into territority occupied by the Ganga Ram is a good thing.
munk

Not really the performance part, more of a identity and stylistic thing. It just wouldn't seem as much of what I think of when I think of the BDC. It would be like a 12" Foxy Folly or an 18" Falcata to me.

The pen knife has such a unique shape and identity that changing the size doesn't really change what it is as much. I don't think of it as much as the pen knife or BDC extending into another territory as much as I think of them having an individual identity for what they are and losing that as the size changes. With a pen knife it seems like it would be "Wow - that's a big pen knife."

With the BDC, it seems like it would lose a little of it's identity coming in a full range of sizes. It looks like a fullered M43 with no buttplate that's small. If it grows into that range, it seems like a fullered M43 with no buttplate or a Foxy Folly with a different handle. Maybe not exactly, but do know what I mean? It starts to blend in a little more. Like I said, just my .02...
 
Actually, I was thinking the Pen, Ganga Ram, and YCS all have much in common.
I see and I don't, SASSAS; there are subtle and wonderful differences between the Chits, Gelbus, Sirupates, and Mallas.


Frankly, we'd be fixing the BDC. It needs to be 18" long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

"You mean whatever you left of him?"
"Exactly." She said. "There wasn't enough for a cat box, let alone a man. But I've been hearing....stories. I want you to find out if they're true."

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munk said:
Frankly, we'd be fixing the BDC. It needs to be 18" long.
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Why?

For me it seems actually perfect at a small size. Kind of like a Mini Cooper just is what it is. A big Mini Cooper just wouldn't be a Mini Cooper any more. Not that a bigger car with those features may not be nice or desirable (particularly if you're a bigger person I guess)...
 
Hell I probably wouldn't be able to resist an 18" BDC myself, gotta love those fullers and if it does indeed come to fruition it would give me good reason to sell my M-43.;) :D

And I may not be able to resist a 15" Pen knife either. I'm like munk in their regard in that they're alright for other folks but I just have never been impressed with them nor am I truly fond of their appearance and that's with me being the advocate of pretty is as pretty does.
I love the 12" AK's and just never saw a need for a Pen knife as long as I had one of them.;)
 
munk said:
I thought a longer, 18" BDC would have takers. It would be too beautiful to leave alone.

munk

There is no denying it would be beautiful, especially in black horn. And, if you had said what about something 18" long, twin fullered, with a blade shape kind of like a Hanshee or M43, with the Bura style split handle, my initial reaction may have been different. Maybe call it a Munk Dui Chirra. :)

Though, personally, I'd rather have it have the M43 handle with the end cap to keep the handle from getting beat up. The longer the blade, the more likely they are to bump into things for me.
 
I think Kismet is starting a novel. Let's all encourage him. It will keep him out of trouble, at least...;)
Just no trained snakes, OK?
 
Hm. I have one of those 10" BDC's and while it's a beautiful knife, the beloved PK villager can outchop it.

An 18" BDC, the fullers keeping it's weight light... and it's pointy qualities...Yes.

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Her eyes were the color purple, like the gemstones on a Home Shopping Channel ring. Was her husband dismembered by aliens, cattle-mutilation style? Or did this dame have dark side of her own? Of all the seedy, run-down private investigators offices in this dirty town, why did she have to pick me?

What a beauty. She said her name was Charmin Whipple, and she DID look soft and squeezable. But you didn't have to be a P.I. to know... there was something going on here that stinks...



Ad Astra
 
I had a 10 BDC. It was truly lovely.

I couldn't figure out how to use it.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thomas Linton started the novella.


Wait. Were the blue eyes on my desk even her husband's eyes? I only had her word for it...and who was she? Some tissue tender dame who sashayed into MY seedy office with a yarn to spill.

Now, noticing her purple eyes, I couldn't help but think that this case had sides of agreement, after all, so far, the eyes had it.

But there had to be more. All the subliminal odor references started to bother me. Charmin was scented, and the fragrance had a fishy smell to it.

"What stories about your husband have you heard?" My query was deliberately leading...too many years in a dirty business in a dirty world made me listen for nuances that could change the case.
 
As much as I like the smaller ones, I'd probably have to give a big 'un a try. If we're looking at 18", maybe we ought to complete that slinky ensemble with a 20" model?
 
If I'd known then, what I know now; you can't kill off Ed Know in the first, or any chapter.





munk
 
I just received my 12" Pen, and I think a 15" one would be a great knife and would make a pretty good survival tool, not unlike Lofty's.
I actually considered buying a Lofty Wiseman knife once, but I ended up on HI's site instead and decided on a khukri or six instead...
 
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