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Pelle

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Sal & Forumites; I have been discussing the issue of a Lightweight Police on another thread. Corduroy had the idea of a Lightweight Calypso rather than a LW Police.
I gave it some thaught and finally realized that we have an interesting brew here. First, I find the Rescue handle the most ergonomical. Why not mate it with a Calypso blade and: Voila! A LW Special Police!!!
The handle will fuse itself into the palm, The VG-10 Calypso blade cuts like a dream and the Police name will carry the heritage and help sales. Priced in the Endura ballpark it has to be a hit. Let´s hear your opinion....
 
Could we come up with a name other than "Special Police?" This makes me think of the Gestapo and other such organizations. I fact, I believe it was the "Special Police" that provided most of the manpower for the Nazi Einsatz (sp?) squads that operated in Eastern Europe.

Just wanted to nip this name in the bud - I think the knife idea has potential, though I don't understand the need to mix and match blades and handles.

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
I agree that "Special Police" implies something at best clandestine and at worst ugly case files at Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

The knife sounds interesting. The Rescue handle is a good handle, that at the moment is only fitted to blades without points.

Hmmm . . . . How much do I really want to stock yet more SKU's?
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- JKM
www.chaicutlery.com
 
I guess that means "Jack Booted Thug" is out huh?

You could call it the "Police Special".

I like the idea of the knife by the way. What's another SKU among so many? Well, actually 3 SKUs if you go with Plain, Serrated, Partially serrated...No six if you do it all over in stainless... then, maybe G10........

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I like "Police Special," though that sorta implies that it's just a Police variant, not a new knife. Maybe the "Detective?" Or "Flatfoot?" (Hey, they had "PIG" knives...)

I'm not in favor of the Rescue handle. The purpose of adding a new, large Zytel model would be to get tip-down carry. That's why I suggested a full-size Zytel Calypso. The Rescue handle (new and old) is tip-up. I realize that liteweights are not well-suited to the "drop," but if Spyderco is willing to try it on the Calypso Jr., I think a full-size makes sense.

This is fun, at any rate. Probably just pipe dreams, but if anybody were going to get new models from this sort of ELU speculation, it would be Spyderco.

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Sounds good, but make the blade premium steel like CPM440V, please! The Police models are great knives, but Gin-1 just doesn't cut it, for for that long that is.
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Cheezy, but all too true.

What we really need is a titanium or aluminum scaled Police in 440V! PLEASE!
 
Gee,let`s just throw out the whole language.The Feds have Special Agents.The police reserves here are special police.The railroad police are "specials",etc.

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Maybe it ought to be named "Black Helicopter Paranoia Special". It´s like accusing a Camaro SS owner to have anything to do with Die Schuts-Staffeln (SS).
 
As a point of historical accuracy;wern`t these BG`s SS as opposed to Waffen SS?Further,as I recall,the police were politically unreliable and stayed police.The Gestapo had to be formed to do the dirty work.I can`t see a veteran street cop buying into this,way too jaded.The Soviet cops stayed cops as well.The word for carefree and happy is pretty much unusable.This PC nonsense is becoming insufferable.

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We have this idea that all of the Nazi killing of civilians was carried out by the wicked SS. Actually, the Einsatz "death squads" were largely staffed from a national "police" force, a sort of reserve. These men were taken from a sort of part-time National Guard status and made into professional executioners. A few relished it, others objected, but most simply performed their duties and attempted to become numb to what they did. I don't have it on hand, so I can't tell you the author, but the book "Ordinary Men" is a frightening investigation of how these good and peaceful citizens adapted to their new role as killers.

As for the name, I was just stating the image it raised in my mind. If no-one else felt this way, I would attribute it to my own twisted thought process (as some should probably have done with the Chief). This is not a moral issue, in which one objector is enough; it is a mere issue of personal impressions, and if no-one else feels this way about the name, let it stand.

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Actually, I wouldn't want to name any new knife after any sort of spies or counterspies or anything that implied clandestine or undercover operations, even including certified "good guys" or "my side" or both. Not, that is, if I want to carry that knife in my capacity as a non-special sort of civilian or sell it to same. There are a lot of nervous people out there, and some of them make rules.

"Why do you need a spy's knife?"
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Undercover cops and special operations folks - my side or anybody else's - will, I hope, select their tools based on their physical properties, regardless of its name.

Of course, we know that in a just universe people would understand that it is good for good people to be able to defend themselves against the other sort, God forbid, but in a just universe a lot of other things would be the way they should be, and we probably wouldn't need weapons.

And we know that both public and authority figures can become nervous over a knife named "butterfly," but there's no need to provoke them unnecessarily.


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- JKM
www.chaicutlery.com
 
I have this recurring scenario in my head where I have to explain to one of the less open-minded LEOs why I am carrying a "Police" knife.

Names carry a lot of weight, good or bad. I think Spyderco has performed very well in this area, giving all of their knives either "neutral" names or ones associated with a specific task or profession, like the Rescue. It's only as a civilian carrying a Police that I sometimes worry. Though I'd rather have to explain carrying that knife than the Civilian
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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Unless you have 12 criminals as a jury, something police should be benign.For most of the cent. the MOD. 10 was the M&P.I never heard of a lawyer profiting by the name.Of course, this is now.Too bad isn`t it?

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Um, I lost my decoder ring... ghostsix, I really want to know what you have to say there. Could you give the long version?
 
I was responding to Jim. The S&W Military&Police is a K-Frame usually found in .38 Spec.,(there is that word again).It is a 19th.Cent. design that was bought by the Navy as well as the military and police.It was THE service revolver for many years and is very popular with the general public also.Smith went to Model numbers and,the M&P became the MOD.10 the .357 Magnum,(N frame), became the MOD 27 and so on.This was `60s?PC had nothing to do with it.Old people remember the old designations.The J frame is the small one used for the Chiefs Special,which now is the MOD 36 in blue and the MOD 60 in stainless.Colt also Had an M&P,a Police Positive and a Detective Special.Membership in the organization is not a criteria for buying them.

[This message has been edited by ghostsix (edited 04 July 1999).]

[This message has been edited by ghostsix (edited 04 July 1999).]
 
Back to basics here, it seems to me that Pelle (originator of thread) had in mind a unique or different variant of the Spyderco Police model knife: hence the suggested name Special Police...

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In the civilian market, things that are or can be weapons, and especially knives, should not, in my opinion, have names that imply anything clandestine or sneaky. Names that imply lawful authority or national defense or physical courage are OK, but stealth gets unwanted attention.

Police or Military are respectable. CIA?

Samurai are respectable. Ninja?

Lions are carnivorous and dangerous and respectable. Rattlesnakes are carnivorous and dangerous and suspect.

In Section 12020 of the California Penal Code, the one that prohibits the carrying of a concealed dirk or dagger, there is a long Monty Pythonesque littany of prohibited weapons that thou shalt not so much as possess in your attic. The common theme is stealth. Spy weapons. Thief weapons. Ninja weapons. Sword canes. Shuriken. Disguised firearms. That sort of thing.

Nowhere on that long list do they mention swords and spears. A katana or a broadsword are built for one purpose - dismemberment. Right? So why does anybody need a dismemberment tool? Well, "reason not the need," but swords are a symbol of courage and lawful authority.

Daggers, on the other hand . . .


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- JKM
www.chaicutlery.com
 
OK, thanks ghostsix. That reminds me - Colt has been naming their knife line after their guns. Recently I saw one that one had been designated the "Police Model." Is this in conflict with Spyderco?

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
This is becoming way to silly. Arguing over the name instead of giving opinions on the blade itself. Maybe one should alert other makers that they ought to rename everything even remotely aggressive. Strykers, Talons and evrything with the name Spec-War. Not to mention the SOG company. Better close the whole damn thing. Can´t name anything after one of the most covert, clandestine and notorious military forces in US history.
Carmakers and others must be prohibited from using SS, SD, GSP or any other comination that has a history. Porsche owners may be prosecuted for supporting a former nazi company. Beetle drivers might be mistaken for Hitler...
 
Since this has gotten so off-track (yeah, my fault) and because the knife we're discussing really doesn't seem to be a Police in any way (Zytel, different blade, different handle), I'm going to start a new thread. Will that make folks happy?

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
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