Hello, I too would like to try out a few more Kizer knives. I have one, but it's a lower end model and it's "ok" at best. My biggest pet peeve with any knife is the use of titanium locks. I really don't like it, really don't trust it, and I really have no desire to debate or discuss that. LOL Let's just call that background information. SO I've searched through the Kizer catalog and think I saw a pair of thumb-stud frame lock folders (non flippers) with lock bar inserts. Am I missing any? (this is the basic question I'm after with this thread) I'm pretty certain that all of the liner lock models use Ti (rather than steel) so I'm assuming there aren't any of those - but how about models with lock bar inserts? If there are any specific models that are about to be released, let me know. I think there's at least one. Thanks!