Specs for old models?

[leemovie]

Cops and people in general are funny about knives.

I got pulled over a couple blocks from my house coming home from work, about 1:30AM for a burnt out tag light. Lame excuse, but it was mainly training for the rookie in the car. No big deal as his training officer was really cute and I've seen her before in the neighborhood and we had a nice chat.

Anyway, he wanted to search the van. No problem. Asked me if I had any weapons. Yes, I do. A condition 3 1911 in a gun bag inside my workbag between the seats. No problem, he found it, cleared it and safed it. I could hear all this, the lady officer and I were about 20' away leaning against the cruiser talking.

All of a sudden he pops out of the van, rushes back and demands why I didn't tell him about ALL the weapons. He's freaked, I'm confused and said so. He finally gets out,"That big knife in your bag, why didn't you tell me about it?"

It was a KaBar that I use at work to cut the cardboard off the rolls of printing paper and told him so and also told him I really didn't consider it a weapon especially when the 1911 was on top of it. The TO understood my thinking and why I didn't even think to mention it.

What got me was this. This guy very calmly safed the 1911, emptied the mag, locked the slide back and had it all on the seat like he was seperating the sections of a newspaper. But when he saw the knife, even in a sheath, it really affected him, like it had been a live snake or something.

It suprised me, but I never forgot the reaction.

Rob

He, like most people, just allows preconceived misconceptions fooled himself. He doesn't fear the 1911, becuase he is familiar with it. Most people think knives as dangerous weapons. Ironically, they never associate kitchen knives with weapons.Most knives used in criminal acts are the chef's knife present in every home. When used properly, the thin pointy chef's knife is more deadly than a big Fusion Battle Mistress (Make no mistake, I like FBM better than any kitchen knife on the planet)-it goes between ribs and pennetrate deeper, ouch .
on the other hand, most big fat scary knives are actually used as tools everyday by us knife lovers

 

[Tony G]

John...your from Texas..shouldn't you be looking for blades over 13"......everything's bigger in Texas!!

The say that only because the women there wear very short shorts and very small tops.

 

[wetdog1911]

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Wow. There is no way that I would agree to that. Why would you?

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I wanted to eat dinner. You say no, they say ok and then make you wait for the dogs for probable cause. It takes a lot of time and 99 out of a 100 they will still end up searching the vehicle.

Rob

 

[wetdog1911]

So did you atleast get her number?

My wife has also seen her around the neighborhood. LOL

Rob

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

......everything's bigger in Texas!!

Until they compare it to Alaska
(Sorry... I love my state and am proud of it)

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

My wife has also seen her around the neighborhood. LOL

Rob

Can your wife get her number than? I need a new wingman/woman.

 

[leatherman]

Cops and people in general are funny about knives.

I got pulled over a couple blocks from my house coming home from work, about 1:30AM for a burnt out tag light. Lame excuse, but it was mainly training for the rookie in the car. No big deal as his training officer was really cute and I've seen her before in the neighborhood and we had a nice chat.

Anyway, he wanted to search the van. No problem. Asked me if I had any weapons. Yes, I do. A condition 3 1911 in a gun bag inside my workbag between the seats. No problem, he found it, cleared it and safed it. I could hear all this, the lady officer and I were about 20' away leaning against the cruiser talking.

All of a sudden he pops out of the van, rushes back and demands why I didn't tell him about ALL the weapons. He's freaked, I'm confused and said so. He finally gets out,"That big knife in your bag, why didn't you tell me about it?"

It was a KaBar that I use at work to cut the cardboard off the rolls of printing paper and told him so and also told him I really didn't consider it a weapon especially when the 1911 was on top of it. The TO understood my thinking and why I didn't even think to mention it.

What got me was this. This guy very calmly safed the 1911, emptied the mag, locked the slide back and had it all on the seat like he was seperating the sections of a newspaper. But when he saw the knife, even in a sheath, it really affected him, like it had been a live snake or something.

It suprised me, but I never forgot the reaction.

Rob

Uh oh, who are you and what did you do with WetDog??? A feeling in the air like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"

Texican: The law does define a dagger as a blade with both edges sharpened. A kerambit can be defined as either "Brass Knucks" or a double edged knife or both as the charge fits. Brass Knucks need not cover more than one finger. So its a "lose/lose" situation with a kerambit. It can be handy to have a bro in law thats a LEO, and a pain in the arse at the same time! :foot: He notices EVERYTHING! I can try to hide several knives on me and he somehow knows almost all. Doesnt help he's a gun and knife nut too.

 

[leatherman]

I wanted to eat dinner. You say no, they say ok and then make you wait for the dogs for probable cause. It takes a lot of time and 99 out of a 100 they will still end up searching the vehicle.

Rob

AWRIGHT! Now I'm just getting dizzy, twins?

WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetDog, WetDog, WetDog,

 

[wetdog1911]

Can your wife get her number than? I need a new wingman/woman.

My wife is from AK and she has her own Busse's. Do you really think I want to ask her that?

You can, I'm skeert.

Hey Dwayne

Dog is back, had to slip into the Hog mode for the ganza to use the mail on my Dad's computer. I'm a guest as Dog and can't do the mail waiting to be sent thing.

Rob

 

[wetdog1911]

AWRIGHT! Now I'm just getting dizzy, twins?

WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetHog, WetDog, WetDog, WetDog, WetDog,

LOL

Guess I should have said the DRUG sniffing dogs. The people I bought the van from ...... Might have sounded like a fox hunt. LOL

Rob

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

My wife is from AK and she has her own Busse's. Do you really think I want to ask her that?

You can, I'm skeert.


Rob

I'll ask her. The number is for me

 

[cleaner145]

Cops and people in general are funny about knives.

I got pulled over a couple blocks from my house coming home from work, about 1:30AM for a burnt out tag light. Lame excuse, but it was mainly training for the rookie in the car. No big deal as his training officer was really cute and I've seen her before in the neighborhood and we had a nice chat.

Anyway, he wanted to search the van. No problem. Asked me if I had any weapons. Yes, I do. A condition 3 1911 in a gun bag inside my workbag between the seats. No problem, he found it, cleared it and safed it. I could hear all this, the lady officer and I were about 20' away leaning against the cruiser talking.

All of a sudden he pops out of the van, rushes back and demands why I didn't tell him about ALL the weapons. He's freaked, I'm confused and said so. He finally gets out,"That big knife in your bag, why didn't you tell me about it?"

It was a KaBar that I use at work to cut the cardboard off the rolls of printing paper and told him so and also told him I really didn't consider it a weapon especially when the 1911 was on top of it. The TO understood my thinking and why I didn't even think to mention it.

What got me was this. This guy very calmly safed the 1911, emptied the mag, locked the slide back and had it all on the seat like he was seperating the sections of a newspaper. But when he saw the knife, even in a sheath, it really affected him, like it had been a live snake or something.

It suprised me, but I never forgot the reaction.

Rob

Rob - just out of curiosity how long ago was this?

 

[cleaner145]

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Wow. There is no way that I would agree to that. Why would you?

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Because in reality on a traffic stop we can check for weapons regardless. Could save your life.

 

[rbmcmjr]

You say no, they say ok and then make you wait for the dogs for probable cause. It takes a lot of time and 99 out of a 100 they will still end up searching the vehicle.

I don't understand how they would make the transition from traffic stop to drug sniffing dogs. Of what am I suspected?

Because in reality on a traffic stop we can check for weapons regardless. Could save your life.

In which case, you don't need my permission. Probable cause is a tricky concept, one I don't pretend to understand, but I will never consent to voluntarily waiving my rights. If you have cause, you may search. Otherwise, I will ask to leave.

 

[mymindisamob]

Although my experience is more extensive than I care to share, law enforcement seems to be up to the LEOs interpretation. Like a physician "practicing" medicine, I don't think that you can rule out intuition and experience. Don't get me wrong, I have had quite a few friends, family and acquaintances in different fields of law enforcement and military. According to most of them, the general consensus on weapon carry and searching premises, vehicles and persons has always been "loosely" based on a standard set of laws and regs while staying in the boundaries of human rights. These laws and regs have definitely become more specialized since 9/11.
All that said as back up to my OPINION. Carry what you need and what you think you need, carry wisely and don't be a prick about it unless it's necessary. I learned this the "HARD" way, but I do have to go with Rick on this, I will not give up my rights willingly. The conversation in this thread just got me going this morning, it's gone an interesting direction and gets discussed more maturely in this forum than some others. Well, as I step off my soapbox, remember, "common" sense is not common. What we should hope for is "Good" sense.

 

[JohnTheTexican]

Uh oh, who are you and what did you do with WetDog??? A feeling in the air like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"

Texican: The law does define a dagger as a blade with both edges sharpened. A kerambit can be defined as either "Brass Knucks" or a double edged knife or both as the charge fits. Brass Knucks need not cover more than one finger. So its a "lose/lose" situation with a kerambit. It can be handy to have a bro in law thats a LEO, and a pain in the arse at the same time! :foot: He notices EVERYTHING! I can try to hide several knives on me and he somehow knows almost all. Doesnt help he's a gun and knife nut too.

The thing about cops is that they tend to know a lot about weapons laws, but a lot of what they know is wrong. There is no statutory definition of "dagger" in the penal code. And when a term is not defined in the statute, it's given its ordinary meaning. And the ordinary meaning of "dagger" is a straight stabby knife, knt a curved slashy/rippy knife.

Brass knuckles ("knuckles," actually), on the other hand, are defined in sec. 46.01(8) of the Penal Code:

"Knuckles" means any instrument that consists of
finger rings or guards made of a hard substance and that is
designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious
bodily injury or death by striking a person with a fist enclosed in
the knuckles.

A kerambit might be a nasty weapon, but it doesn't meet the statutory definition. At least not in Texas. A ring that encircles one finger does not enclose a fist.

Of course, there's nothing prevent a cop from "misinterpreting" the law and hasseling an honest citizen who is merely exercising his rights. Lots of people spend a night in jail (and have to hire a lawyer to get the chares dismissed) for doing things that annoy a LEO but aren't actually illegal.

 

[wetdog1911]

Because in reality on a traffic stop we can check for weapons regardless. Could save your life.

This was several years back.

It was 'good' sense. If they want to check you out, you're going to get checked out. I knew that as soon as I was asked about weapons. Lying about that was just not an option, not to me.

Like John said, it's a loose interpretation on purpose. You want to be a wisea$$, jump on the soapbox, argue minutae and in general annoy the officer, you will more than likely spend the night in jail and spend gobs of money for both bail and a lawyer to prove your point.

For the most part, you treat the officers with respect and it is returned likewise. By the same token, they can be WAY bigger a$$holes than you if you decide to go that route, your call.

For the most part, the P. Pines force is very professional and I treat them that way. Drink with more than a few also. I'm also sure there is a Barney Fife or 2 on the force, but I haven't run into them yet.

Rob

 

[cleaner145]

In which case, you don't need my permission. Probable cause is a tricky concept, one I don't pretend to understand, but I will never consent to voluntarily waiving my rights. If you have cause, you may search. Otherwise, I will ask to leave.

There may any number of reason why do don't understand/agree with the overall concept but that's probably because your one of the good guys. It's the bad guys that worry us. Unfortunately we can't tell until too often it's too late. This concept has nothing to do with probable cause, but strictly case law regarding officer safety.

 

[pekiti589]

In TEXAS, from what I can tell, 5 and a half is legal open carry. No double edges are allowed at all, and they do not like to play when you get caught with one. You still might have to talk to the judge about it, but you should walk away with your blade intact. Not sure about all Busse blades, but the Killer B I just bought has a 4 inch blade. Happy hunting.