Speyless Stockman?

Planterz said:
Is it not a Texas Jack if the secondary blade is a sheepsfoot rather than a pen?
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According to Levine's Guide, "Texas Jack" is another name for "Moose". Case uses "Texas Jack" to describe what Levine's Guide (and most others) call "Premium Jacks".

This Primble/Queen "moose" is etched "perfect Texas jack knife".

 
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supratentorial said:
If I may borrow Meako's page turner and hat (I have to wear a stocking cap underneath so that his hat will fit my head)...Levine's Guide IV describes "stock knife type double-end jacks" on page 190.

...probably named after Mr. Jack Double-End :p

Levine defines stockman, in part, as having 3 or more blades.
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But Levine agrees that if you lived in the early part of the 20th century, you were entitled to call some Premium double-end Jacks - "Stock knives"!
I kinda live in the past so as not to forget stuff like that!:rolleyes:
Ahem!
;)

Planterz said:
Is it not a Texas Jack if the secondary blade is a sheepsfoot rather than a pen?
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Oh sure!! Confuse me further!!:confused:

Good question!! 20th century??
:D
 
Schrade's "E" catalog calls my TBS a Texas Jack. Harrummpff!!
Page 47.
 
What I've always seen called a texas jack is like the Case by that name(I swear I've seen it called that by other brands) and they're always both blades at the same end. (what makes it a "jack" knife as I understand it)


Case made a few of these two blade stockmans on the 47 pattern, called a pen knife. usually 06247, clip one end, pen the other. Little big for what I call a pen knife, but thats what they sell as now. I'd show ya one, but I ain't been able to snag one I can afford... yet.. ;)

Been killing myself trying to find just suck a knife, what I'd call a half stockman, for over a year. Clip one end, sheepsfoot the other, around 3.5" or 3.625". Finding the blade arrangement is relative hard... finding it in that size range is impossible.

Thus I'm very currious to see this Bulldog. :)

Thinking out loud here;
If Texas Jack is a Moose, and a Moose is spey and clip on a stockman frame... And a Muskrat is two clips on a stockman frame..

Plus an improved Muskrat is a clip and wharncliffe,

So, could that make a clip and a sheepsfoot an "improved texas jack" ? :D :D
 
Planterz said:
Is it not a Texas Jack if the secondary blade is a sheepsfoot rather than a pen?
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I am not sure what to call it, but I think you won't see too many like that, because the high-sitting, wide sheepfoot would be in what is often the narrowest part of the knife. Difficult to fit and maybe awkward to use, I'd say.
 
I think the same names would apply whether the blade is a spey, sheepfoot or pen. But the categories in LGIV can be very particular. For example slimness determines whether a knife is a moose or double-end trapper.

I think time and common usage are interesting to consider with respect to names. Some were terms of art. Were. Companies don't really follow the conventions very closely any more. Names change with common usage. Some of our current terms are already collector terms. And some collector terms are already being replaced with new ones. Maybe future books will have "steerman". :eek:
 
supratentorial said:
I thought Frank Buster made the Fightn Rooster knives and Charlie Dorton made Bulldog knives... originally... but I don't know what Parker did with them later.

Both brands were made in the Olbertz factory.
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You are right. Fightn Rooster. Had a senior moment. No kids here to help with pics yet. Maybe later.--KV
 
This brings to mind the recent BladeForums Knife 2015: Serpentine Jack by Canal Street Cutlery (clip and sheepfoot riding on a single backspring).
Raul

kvaughn said:
I recently acquired a Frank Buster Bulldog traditional that for want of a better description is a standard stockman with no spey blade.Two back springs and a blade at each end. Clip and sheepfoot. Is there a pattern name for this one? Thanx--KV
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Here is schrade catalog E with two different texas jacks. Tis confusion!

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